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Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 13 May 2000
From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU>

  To: L5RINFO@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:53:11 +1000
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Greetings,

   Folks, cutting and pasting from the Accumulated Rulings is a fairly
time consuming thing. For that reason, I was thinking about simply
referring people to the rulings when there is one (with a note to the
relevent section, if need be). I'm assuming that because the vast
majority of folks on this list are savvy enough to have e-mail, they'll
also have web access.

   Would anyone have a big problem with that?

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From:    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Rodr=EDguez?= <icaro@INTERLINK.ES>
Subject: What is a doubling effect?

> If i use Blessings Upon the Lands on, let's say, a Master Painter, can
> I still use An Exhibition to double the new value of the honor gain?

   No.

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From:    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Rodr=EDguez?= <icaro@INTERLINK.ES>
Subject: What is exactly an action card? (the great silence)

> [I]s attaching a card counted as playing an action card?

   No. Spells are spell cards, not action cards.

> And using the spell (even if it was attached previously)?

   No. See above.

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From:    David Sachs <sachs@FNAL.GOV>
Subject: Hoshi

> What is the uniqueness status of Hoshi from Siege of Sleeping
> Mountain? He seem rather similar to Togashi Hoshi.

   Hoshi and Togashi Hoshi considered the same card for deckbuilding and
play purposes.

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From:    "Jerry N. Spurgeon" <jerrys@GCI.NET>
Subject: Card Clarification

> Although it does not state it... I assume you take turns deciding
> who stays and who goes.

   Accumulated Rulings: "The active player is the first one who has to
decide which of his units leave the battle. He makes all his decisions
at this time. Then the choice goes around the table, once, in turn
order. [l5rinfo, 7/15/99]"

> Once both players pass, you then assess the -2 chi and dishonor
> status, then proceed with the battle actions.

   Yes.

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From:    Dark Prophet <oshio_the_dark@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: [Dave] Rules Questions

> [I]s it possible to Way of Shadow someone paying for a Ninja Kidnapper
> if there are multiple Ninja Kidnappers in play?

   No. Paying off the Ninja Kidnapper is a self-referential to the
action card istelf; it does not target. Ditto destroying a Den of Spies.

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From:    Nathan Hood <nhood@UNLNOTES01.UNL.EDU>
Subject: More on the lack of accumulated rulings.

> I don't know if this was intended when it was said that the official
> word on rulings comes from the Judge of the tournament rather than the
> Accumulated Rulings, but...  If it is the Judge that has final say,
> than a Judge is free to pick and choose from any of those rulings.  Or
> free to randomly create rulings, like Rise From The Ashes is not
> political.

   But that is how it has always been. It's just a fact that hasn't been
thrown into sharp relief until recently. FRPG has *always* backed their
tournament organisers 100%.

> There has to be some standard to which all tournaments are held.

   This is the reason Magic has a Judge Certification program. It is the
*judge*, not the big book of rulings, that makes a tournament a success
and keeps problems to a minimum. Now that I think about it, this is
actually a very smart thing to do.

> This is what the acc. rulings did in the past, but being without them
> for this tournament, there will not be standard rulings across
> tournaments, and something that was legal in one place won't be legal
> in another.

   Let's say the same question comes up in tournaments in Calgary and
Paris on the same weekend -- one that hasn't been raised before and
isn't in the Accumulated Rulings. One judge rules in favor of the combo;
the other rules against it.

   It *does not matter* which judge ultimately makes the "right" ruling
that becomes endorsed by the Rules Junta. What matters is that
tournament play continues in a timely manner without arguments between
the players.

   Variation in tournament rulings is *inevitable*. The Accumulated
Rulings helps minimize that, but that is all.

   This is what you get for having Jeff Alexander and (to a lesser
degree) me doing daily rules Q&A. We are volunteers. Pros: We have
long-term experience with the game, so you guys get "rules continuity."
Cons: We're unpredictable.

   Alternative: Someone starts getting paid to look after the rules.
Pros: Regular updates, someone held accountable for everything. Cons:
See Magic tournament scene.

   If someone wants to start working through my rulings (archived in
several places) and compile them into some sort of ordered list, I'll
happily archive it on Steel & Iron until it can be integrated with the
on on the Phoenix Library. I do not have the time nor inclination to do
it myself right now.

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From:    Heckts <heckts@HOME.COM>
Subject: Herald 15 tracking

> As Herald 15 mailed Friday the 12th I'd like to hear when any of you
> receive yours.

   UMMMMMMM...  Andy, could I request that people send those "I got my
Herald" posts directly to you, instead of the list? I don't really find
"I got mine in North Battleford" posts terribly interesting -- though I
know they provide FRPG with some useful data.

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   More Race to Volturnum results from Melbourne:

Tournament #2

1. Unicorn, by Matthew Hastings
2. Lion (I think), by Richard Tate
3. Crane, by Paul Ryan
4. Dragon, by Mark Rajic

Tournament #3

1. Shadowlands Horde, *again* by Matthew Hastings (who went undefeated,
beating the Swiss curse!)
2. Crab, by Daniel Chlebowczyk
3. Crane, by Paul Ryan
4. Dragon, by Chris Heywood

   So a good range of clans are being represented in the finals here.

   It's no secret that I'm one of the few fans of the Strict Jade
format, and I quite enjoyed these tournaments. What about those of you
who hadn't really played in straight Jade before? Did you enjoy the
environment?

   Me, I rediscovered some cards I haven't used in a long while. You
know, Cornered stops an amazing number of things that A Test of Courage
doesn't...


Zen Faulkes! * Crab Clan Scholar * Deputy Rules Berserker
Came within a hair's width of making the finals -- twice!

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