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Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 10 May 2000
From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU>

  To: L5RINFO@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:17:23 +1000
Replied:    Thu, 11 May 2000 12:19:28 -0400
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Greetings,

From:    Dave Salsman <dr_tsume@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: News from the chat

> Lets take a stroll down memory lane...... Gen-Con 1997. Chris
> Bergstrum in the finals. The deal was struck that if he won. He would
> reveal his true loyalties, to the Shadowlands. But in true story line
> flavor Dave Williams and John Wick found out and would not let Chris
> proceed with the plan.

   It is true that top 8 Crab player Patrick Ockhauser (defeated by
Chris Bergstrom; playing a Crab oni deck) and top 4 Phoenix player Derek
Huisjan (defeated by Rob Kramer; playing a corrupt Phoenix deck) were
both wearing Junzo T-shirts under their "official" clan T-shirts. If
either of them won, each planned to take off the shirt to reveal a dark
alliance with the Shadowlands.

   John Wick told everyone about this after the final game, and said,
"You never knew how close you came..."

   I have *no* similar memory concerning Chris Bergstrom.

> I was there.

   So was I.

   Obviously, one of us is in error.

   Chris, Dave? As you two are the only "first hand" accounts, would
either of you care to correct one of us?

;;;;;

From:    Edward Averett <dark@INTERPATH.COM>
Subject: Re: GOing for the GOLD

> Dave knew what he was doing when he rewrote L5R mechanics into LBS.

   Except he didn't. Ray Lau was the designer of LBS.

;;;;;

From:    Sean Morris <skmorris@USWEST.NET>
Subject: Possibly silly question

> If a personality is somehow forbidden to acquire the shadowlands trait
> (Tokens of Jade, for instance), will they be also prevented from
> gaining the +3/+3 from Burden of the Word?

   No. It's an effect, not a cost.

;;;;;

From:    Bob Yager <bobyager@EASTPLAINS.NET>
Subject: Hiruma Sensei Question

> Does [Hiruma Sensei] defeat Twisting Ravine?

   Yes.

;;;;;

From:    Stefan Lenfest <slenfest@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: GOing for the GOLD [long]

>> Should a large group of players be able to influence the story
>> outside of storyline tourneys? Sure, that's how the corruption of the
>> Phoenix in the Clan Wars happened.
>
> This is not true. The Designers had the phoenix corruption planned
> from the start.

   "OBJECTION, Your Honour! Speculation!"

   Time of the Void was originally announced to feature Crab and Lion.

;;;;;

From:    John Chapman <johnachapman@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Going for the GOLD

> Theres no effective design mechanism which really gives any payback to
> low or mid SH clans.

   The original idea for having the highest honor clans going first was
to balance that the high-honor clans had the lowest gold production.

;;;;;

From:    Dietmar Meyer <didi@MUENSTER.DE>
Subject: Rules Question

> Do i have to play a card when i use [Plans within Plans], or can i use
> actions on cards in play also.

   Any Limited action.

> Can only the Defender use the action on the Bridged Pass or can the
> attacker use the action also?

   Only you can use actions on your cards. The defender controls it.

;;;;;

From:    La Caverne du Gobelin <Caverne.Gobelin@WANADOO.FR>
Subject: Oni no Kamu

> Can someone please clarify once and for all how this baby works with
> the Kitsu Tombs?

   Accumulated Rulings: "Oni no Kamu's self-destruction after three
turns is not an effect of coming into play. It's simply a duration. It
will not be prevented by using the Stronghold."

;;;;;

From:    Leon Phillips <Sphynx@AOL.COM>
Subject: Transfer Question

> Suppose my opponent attaches followers to my personality (Kolat
> Bodyguard, etc.).  Can I bow my personalities to move the followers?

   Yes.

;;;;;

From:    Togashi Kelly <schizoid@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Agasha Join the Phoenix (DAVE & ZEN)

> Can you name a family that /is/ part of your clan [with Agasha Join
> the Phoenix] if there is at least one personality who is part of a
> DIFFERENT clan that also has that family name.

   No. For Agasha Join the Phoenix to benefit you, there must be no
members of your clan with the chosen name. This means you can't say
"Hida" for Naga, for example, because Hida Yakamo is a Naga.

;;;;;

From:    MitsuMan <mitsuman@THEPEARLHERALD.COM>
Subject: Re: Rules for 9 May 2000

[Re: Updating Accumuated Rulings]

> Zen....but this is an official source of rulings from FRPG and WOTC.
> This source is set about as correct and enforceable.  With organized
> tournament formats and rules for play, a source of rulings must be
> consistant and up to date to restrict bad judgings.

   I'm not saying the Acc. Rulings aren't useful. They absolutely *are*.
Heck, I've apologised to a player for not checking them myself. I'm just
reminding folks that the Accumlated Rulings are not the final authority
during a tournament; the judge is.

   Plus, how many really contentious rulings have there been in the last
few months? There's been Seppun Sensei, and that's about it.

> But its nice to pull out an official source for a ruling to quiet
> someone.  It also makes it easier to avoid major issues.

   A judge should be able to do that in any case.

> Where is Jeff??  Did he fall off the earth or something?

   Jeff Alexander has a job and a private life. If he wants to share
details of those, that's his perogative.

;;;;;

From:    Nathan Larsen <isawa_nate@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: General Question About Senseis

> With senseis, even if they are removed from play, do they still affect
> play?

   It depends on the effect. Many effects are not dependent on a card
remaining in lay (e.g., events).

> Somone told me that if you start with the Kaede Sensei, and somehow it
> leaves play, can you still not win by honor?

   If you use the ability, you cannot win by honor, even if you later
remove Kaede Sensei. The effect is ongoing (card text).

> can you still bow to get a ring?

   No.

;;;;;

From:    "Edward M. Averett" <dark@INTERPATH.COM>
Subject: Re: Rules for 9 May 2000

> Interesting.  You can't use "Agasha Join the Phoenix" while playing
> Phoenix and say "Agasha".

   Heh. Never noticed that before.

;;;;;

From:    Dietmar Meyer <didi@MUENSTER.DE>
Subject: Rules Question #2 Amnesia

> Can i use Amnesia to counter the effect of shoju sensei?

   Yes.

;;;;;

From:    Edward Bolme <edwardb@FRPG.COM>
Subject: Ed on GST Formula [was: News from the chat]

   Ed, just so you know, to Canadians and Australians, "GST" means
"Goods and Services Tax." :)

;;;;;

From:    Andrew Heckt <heckt@WIZARDS.COM>
Subject: Re: Rules for 9 May 2000

> Confirming that the most current rulebook is in error. It is only your
> bowed personalities that you cannot target.

   Just reposting in case anyone missed it.

;;;;;

From:    Jimmy Greer <ShinjoUnicorn@AOL.COM>
Subject: Scounting team vs. Tactical Maneuvers????

> My question is can Scounting Team cnacel Tactical Maneuvers?

   No.

;;;;;

From:    Ronald Carlson <RonC202490@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Scounting team vs. Tactical Maneuvers????

> True but Heart of the Inferno is considered a fire card by the
> accumulated rulings, only because it has the word fiery in its text,
> nowhere does "fire" appear on it.

  Special dispensation. ;)


Zen Faulkes! * Crab Clan Scholar * Deputy Rules Volturnum Hopeful

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