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Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 21 April 2000
From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU>

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Greetings,


Date:    Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:54:57 -1000
From:    Stefan Lenfest <slenfest@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Multiple Senseis? (Zen/Dave/Jeff)

Scott Schultz wrote:
>
> [snip question about allowing Temple of Crow to discard sensei not affecting
> play]
>
> >I would. My understanding of Amnesia and Forgotten Lesson is that they
> >blank out the text of the Sensei card for the stated duration - but
> >they are still Sensei cards in play. But I may be wrong - Zen, who in
> >the (long) absence of Jeff is our RulesMaster, seems to think the
> >Sensei is no longer considered in play.
>
> Here's the best reason I can think of to say that
> the two are equivalent:
>
> You play False Tao on my Ring of Air. I play Finding the Harmony
> on the Ring. If the ring is "not affecting play" but "affected by
> play" then this play should be legal. You can argue about targeting
> but I'd say it's perfectly valid to target something with an effect
> if it can be affected by play.
>
>> Zen? Can we get an official ruling on the question of whether
>> "does not affect play" also implies "cannot be affected by play"?
>
> More to the point, does it matter for this question?  "No."

   I beg to differ.

> Discarding the sensei is a cost of temple of the crow's action[.] So
> my impression is that you cannot discard with amnesia around.

   True. But not so for A New Teacher, for which discarding a Sensei is
not a cost.

;;;;;

From:    Chris Ostermann <OninoBob@AOL.COM>
Subject: Blacksmiths/Corrupted Iron Mines

> Do Corrupted Iron Mines, and therefore Black Markets, reduce the gold
> production of Blacksmiths and Ports, repectively, below 2?

   Sure.

;;;;;

From:    David Newell <rusted_grail@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Blacksmiths/Corrupted Iron Mines

> Do Blackmarkets effect all ports or jsut the card Port?

   All.

> do you 1) need to pay to use a trading port or shipping lanes

   No.

> does it reduce the gold production of Kyuden Yoritomo?

   No.

;;;;;

From:    Dustin Tucker <tearsong@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Samurai's Fury and Resolving Terrain

> A Samurai's Fury does not work after Deadly or Night Battle (and I
>assume Ravine), but why?

   Because terrains stay in play until after battle resolution.

;;;;;

From:    Dustin Tucker <tearsong@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Arrow Knows the Way

> Daidoji Karasu with attached Ashigaru Archers[.] Karasu has 3 chi, but
> the archers don't. Can I play Arrow Knows the Way on this > [combined] ranged
 attack or not?

   Yes.

;;;;;

From:    Philippe DUCHON <philippe.duchon@LABRI.U-BORDEAUX.FR>
Subject: Re: Rules for 19 April 2000

> Can the Shadowlands Horde _play_ Breach of Etiquette if the highest
> Honor player is a Dark Path of Shadow ?

   Sure.

   Could we move to actual *meaningful* questions now?

;;;;;

From:    Josh King <dante@NETWALK.COM>
Subject: A couple questions

> Djahab, Scorpion veteran of a 1000 midnights, does his controller get
> to choose the card destroyed or the opponent.

   Opponent.

;;;;;

From:    Philippe DUCHON <philippe.duchon@LABRI.U-BORDEAUX.FR>
Subject: Rules for 20 April 2000

> [...] anybody can get 2 Sensei in play simultaneously, by first
> playing Forgotten Lesson on himself, then A New Teacher. [...]
> Can you confirm that this is legal? Or explain to me why it isn't?

   Legal, as far as I'm concerned. BUT. This one is going to the Rules
Junta: the question of multiple sensei is a significant one, which may
well require a new rule. And I can't do that.

[Osari Plains & Terrain effect duration]
>> Terrains takes effect immediately work exactly as normal. Terrains
>> that normally take effect right before battle resolution would have
>> those effects last to the end of the turn (default duration), as
>> usual.
>
> So the COaaT ruling is specific to that terrain?

   Currently, yes.

;;;;;

From:    James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
Subject: Re: Rules for 20 April 2000

> I would like to know what happens when you play 2 senseis with
> mutually contradictory abilities.

   This will have to be done on a case by case basis. As for Toshimoko +
Kuro: you'd have to accept all challenges. Kuro Sensei gives you the
option to refuse challenges. Toshimoko does not make all challenges
unrefusable -- it says you take them anyway.

   But frankly, until Dave W. or Jeff A. have their say on multiple
sensei, I don't think I'm going to answer any more questions about how
multiple sensei interact. There's little point arguing about this at all
in this forum; this is clearly one that needs to be decided in the Rules
Junta.


Zen Faulkes! * Crab Clan Scholar

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