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Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 4 April 2000
From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU>

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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:16:39 +1000
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Greetings,

From:    Roger Giner-Sorolla <trism@LEPROSY.NET>
Subject: Re: [l5rusefulinfo]       [L5RINFO] Rules for 3 April 2000

> This leads to the very non-obvious case of Stepping Between the Cracks
> being Political, as it can alter honor loss from say, an Utter Defeat
> or Goshiu exp 2's effect ... right?

   No. That wouldn't *change* an honor loss -- it would prevent the loss
from occurring. Any better examples?

[First Scroll is Opened vs. Shugenja Followers]

> Here, due to the new precedent of Oni no Megada[...]

   Megada has specific card text that breaks the general rules. I don't
see that it sets any general precedent.

;;;;;

From:    Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@TEGEL.CO.NZ>
Subject: Observation about Sneak Attack (and other similar actions)

> Sneak Attack does not give the Attacker an action immediately after
> playing Sneak Attack but must wait for other players to play similar
> actions in turn.

   Right.

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From:    Philippe DUCHON <philippe.duchon@LABRI.U-BORDEAUX.FR>
Subject: Re: [l5rusefulinfo]       [L5RINFO] Rules for 3 April 2000

[Re: Kitsu Tombs being Political]

> The fact that some game effects depend on what might, in some
> circumstances, happen, is not only making rulings a more complex
> thing; it is very, very wrong.

[snip]

> Currently, I need to know that there are Onis that create an Honor
> loss to realize that Hantei the 38th can cancel the Kitsu Tombs' power
> - even though the Oni being brought into play does not create an Honor
> loss.

   I take the point. For what it's worth, I'm not totally comfortable
with the Kitsu Tombs ruling. But nobody (including me) has come up with
any convincing argument why it is not Political by rulebook definition.
I'd welcome such arguments. Note, though, that I'd prefer to keep
discussion focussed on *JUST* that example, rather than playing "But
what about this?"

   I've got private e-mail from Dave Williams about this already, so the
Rules Junta is alerted to the matter. We'll see how it goes.

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From:    Stefan Lenfest <slenfest@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Useful F+S cards

> Someone mentioned Makoto which was the basis of one of my decks until
> the ruling that made a travesty of "card intent".

   For what it's worth, I think Jeff Alexander made that ruling on the
newsgroup, which I then repeated here. It's possible that I'm
remembering wrong. So, if anyone wants to dig through the
rec.games.trading-cards.misc archives and confirm that, one way or
another, be my guest.

;;;;;

From:    DranDragr@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rules for 3 April 2000

> wouldn't this mean that any action that can cancel an action is
> political since there are so many actions that cause honor losses?

   That's not *changing* an honor loss or gain. The loss/gain is
prevented outright.

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From:    Stefan Lenfest <slenfest@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Rules for 3 April 2000

> Although things which cancel entirely will not count, things which
> only cancel effects are ALL political.

   I am not following your logic here. And I should add, just to be
perfectly clea, there is no ruling stating that. The ruling currently
concerns the Kitsu Tombs only (and I'd like to keep the discussion that
way).

> The most important case is Confusion which means all SL decks can no
> longer play this.

   There is no ruling making Confusion at Court a Political action.
Shadowlands players may to use it freely.

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From:    Andrew Getting <kestre1@AIRMAIL.NET>
Subject: Oni no Ogon-Titsu-Kamu Ruling [Zen]

> Zen, I think you overlooked Ogon's ability.  It says that, when
> Titsu's in play, my SH is bowed and generates no effects. This would
> seem to include any traits[.]

   You are correct; I was wrong. I had forgotten that clause, and
thought it was just a question about how strongholds worked when bowed
(which is misunderstood often enough). To sum up, while Oni no Kamu is
out:

* The Spawning Grounds' bonus remains.
* Sepulchre of Bone may not play token followers from the stronghold.

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From:    DranDragr@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rules for 3 April 2000

> What I do notice is that this makes the terrain negating ability of
> the second Lion stronghold a political action.

   How?

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From:    Laura Tank <ltank@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Ambush questions

> Can [Otaku Palaces] Player 2 unbow the unicorn [during Ambush]?

   Yes.

> Can you ambush someone after Emperor's peace has come up?

   No.


Zen Faulkes! * Crab Clan Scholar * Deputy Rules Hornet's Nest Poker

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