(Message zen:36)
Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 31 March 2000
From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU>

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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 11:43:21 +1000
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Greetings,

From:    Andy Bodkin <andybod@B0DDERS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Goju Adorai and false tao

> If Death of the Ki-Rin has resolved and my opponent is below 10
> family honour with only one ring in play can I use the false tao each
> of his action phases to make my last province immune to destruction in
> the battle phase ?

   Yes.

> [I]f I use Goju Adorai to do it, is he targetable by my opponent from
> then on?

   No. The action's on the item.

;;;;;

From:    MitsuMan <mitsuman@THEPEARLHERALD.COM>
Subject: Rules question for [Jeff] or [Zen] or [Dave]

[Re: Koichi]
> Also you may only discard Dyansty cards during your dynasty phase.

   Unless a card effect says otherwise.

> [W]here does the ruling "either Fate or Dynasty" come from?

    Koichi allows you to discard a card. He doesn't specify where.
Therefore, it can be either from Provinces or your Fate hand -- the two
places in the game that you can normally discard from.

;;;;;

From:    Oni no Atomicho <OninoAtomicho@AOL.COM>
Subject: Attaching Ancestors (long)

> "Ancestors are a type of follower but they are not effected by things
> that effect followers." Well a personalities personal honor effects
> followers (if its not high enough, then you can't attach them), so it
> seems by the wording that you could attach ancestors to anyone despite
> honor requirements.

   That is not an effect. That is a requirement.

;;;;;

From:    Adam T-B <SlntShadow@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rules for 29 March 2000

> This does allow Kamoko to attach infantry followers, as they gain the
> Cavalry trait as they are attaching, making them legal. Yet this does
> not work with ancestors. <shrug>  This still doesn't seem to track, as
> far as I can tell.

   Mounts are affecting the follower. By the rules, things that normally
affect followers don't affect ancestors.

;;;;;

From:    Gary Kirby <Kirbdog53@AOL.COM>
Subject: Kamoko/Shiryo no Shinjo

> This certainly implies the converse, ie things that are affected by
> followers are not affected by ancestors.

   Even if that were true (which is isn't), the ancestor would not be
affecting Kamoko.

> Zen has stated that the justification for the Kamoko/Shiryo no Shinjo
> ruling can be found in the AoD rulebook, and I just don't see it.

   I'll take one, last shot at explaining this. Then we all agree to let
this thread die, okay?

   People spit the dummy when they read the clause, "Cards that affect
Followers do not affect Ancestors." There is no definition of "effect"
and "affect" in the rules. You can't define absolutely everything in
game terms, and at some point you have to rely on folks understanding
English. Some people may want to consult dictionaries and look the words
up before proceeding.

   Take a deep breath now.

   Restrictions are not effects.

   If you get that, you'll understand that the reason why Kamoko won't
attach ancestors is right there in the Anvil of Despair Ancestor rules.

   As Jeff Alexander put in the FAQ: "A restriction against attaching
infantry is not something that alters the Ancestor. The restriction
would not be waived by the other rule on that page that makes Ancestors
immune to changes that affect only Followers."

   So:

1. Kamoko will only attach Cavalry Followers (a restriction).
2. Ancestors are Followers (AoD rules).
3. Therefore, Kamoko will only attach Cavalry Ancestors.

   Everyone follows *that* 3 point argument, right?

   You could say that "restrictions" weren't defined in the Anvil of
Despair rules. You might say that "restrictions aren't effects" isn't in
the Anvil of Despair rules (still isn't). I'll give you that -- but that
doesn't change the logic. It was all there when Anvil of Despair came
out. It was on that basis that I posted, "Has anyone noticed that Shiryo
no Shinjo won't attach to Kamoko?" many moons ago.

;;;;;

From:    James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
Subject: Useful F+S cards

> Which do you think are coasters, and which are winners?

   I'll tell everyone in InQuest #61. Fire & Shadow will be on deck next
issue! (Unabashed plug.)


Zen Faulkes! * Crab Clan Scholar

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