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(Message zen:19) Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 23 November 1999 From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU> To: L5RINFO@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:54:14 +1100 X-Accept-Language: en -- /blue/homes/cowell/Mail/mhl.format -- Greetings, Subject: Rules Questions From: Michael Catinari <isawascaggs@HOTMAIL.COM> > If Shiba Ningen bows for the favor, is it a void action for the > purposes of master of five? No. This is a reversal. > Honor for battle resolution is still one lump sum as it says in the > herald, right? Yes. > Although according to the Ambitions Debt rule book rings are now their > own card type, the rule book stilll defines them as a special type of > action card, making them targetable by Bad Kharma and One Life, One > Action, right? Rings are no longer action cards. Their elemental benefits are no longer actions. > Although there is only one choice to play a reaction on at a time, you > still have the choice as whether or not to play it. So, do reactions > ever target anybody? Yes. > Finding the Harmony is still broken, right? Can the rhetoric, please. > You can still win by putting all the rings into play using it, right? Yes. > Is there one official way to use path of victory tie-breakers? No. The DCI tournament organiser book is very vague on the subject. Personally, I only take the victory condition each player got closest to (40 max.) This, in my estimation, best represents who was winning when time was called. E.g., one player has 39 honor, no Rings, no Provinces destroyed in battle, and the opponent has 25 honor, 2 Rings, and 2 Provinces destroyed (total 50+ points). Who was closer to winning, all other things being equal? I say the player at 39 honor. You can only win *one* way; so why should the tie-breaker system count how you did on all points? You can refine this, saying, "If a card effect was preventing you from winning by that method, you get no points for it." Thus, if you have 128 honor when Kisada's Funeral is in play, I look to see how many Rings you put out or provinces you destroyed in battle. Then you have the alternate victory conditions, which pretty much defy scoring by the tie-breaker system. Play those Master of Five and Death of Onnotangu decks fast, people! ;) ;;;;; Subject: Revamped conversation - corruption From: Bob Yager <bobyager@MAIL.DAKOTA.NET> > 2. A lot of email and face to face conversation over Hida Amoro and > the Tear of the Hantei takes place on the Crab list and the Crane > list. Then out comes Hida Amoro exp 2 without the Shadowlands Trait, > may of us thought that our storyline play had affected the card. Which > is immediately erratted to give Amoro the Shadowlands taint. Wasted > Effort and time is how I felt. As I've said before: don't think that discussion won't have an impact down the road. Remember the key phrase: "lead time." > 3. I have been playing with ratling followers in my Crab decks before > Rik'tik'tichek arrives. A cool card and personality is what I think. > Then out comes the Ratling Sensei with very specific language that is > completely overruled. Non sequiter. > Where is the logic in this? *Nobody* has pointed out a single *logical* flaw in the ruling that I have been able to see. It's *non-intuitive*, I agree, but that doesn't mean the ruling is somehow at fault logically. The rules say that everyone who has the trait of a particular clan is a member of that clan. That is *all* the rules say. They do not say if that is the only way that someone can be considered a member of a clan. People *want* the relationship to be reciprocal, but there is no *necessity* for it to be a two-way street. All ducks are birds. Are all birds ducks? > Ticked off, upset, steaming mad, hell ya, I am the beast under your > bed. Where is the sanity that used to govern this land known as > Rokugan and the game known as Legend of the Five Rings? Right where it's always been. The difference is purely perceptual. It's ironic that you spend the bulk of the post detailing how you *feel*, then ask everyone else to be logical. If you want to engage in logical argument, do so. But how you feel is not the basis for a logical discussion. ;;;;; Subject: Re: Rules Questions From: Chris Hayes <Spanner@LARRRRRD.DEMON.CO.UK> > Is an unsuccessful attempt to lobby for the Favor still a completed > action? Yes. > Can I bow a Void guy for it even if I have no chance to get it, > not getting it, and call it a Void action? No. Only the traits of the action / card itself determine its traits. As lobbying is defined in the rulebook as a Limited action only, it has no other traits. Ditto attaching cards. As I noted above, this is a REVERSAL. ;;;;; Subject: Rules for 21 November 1999 From: Philippe DUCHON <duchon@LABRI.U-BORDEAUX.FR> > I mean, what wording would you accept as describing "free Tactician > movement", subject to the "must be currently assigned" restriction? I > could see something like, "Move one or more of your Personalities with > the Tactician trait, _each_ from one Province to another" Tough. Maybe, "Move one or more of your Tactician personalities in any province to any province or provinces you choose." > If, for some reason, my At'tok'tuk Sensei stops influencing the game, > then I can Oath all of my Ratlings into my [perhaps temporarily] > stricter Clan definition, right ? Yes. ;;;;; Subject: Accessible Terrain From: Michael Cooney <mc@MATHS.TCD.IE> > Can the movement action be used to move cards in from your fief? Ooooooh yeah. ;;;;; Subject: The Five Rings. From: Isawa Akira <yu129743@YORKU.CA> > Why aren't the 5 Rings Unique? Because you'd then have a totally unworkable victory condition. ;;;;; Subject: Redirection of Honor [ZEN] From: Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@TEGEL.CO.NZ> > How does TWT react with Kolat Geisha (card descriptions given below)? Traits are "always on;" reactions must be triggered. Thus, Kolat Geisha will always shift the honor first. > [C]an you redirect an honor gain with TWT that results from a duel or > battle that contains a dishonored Personality[?] Nope. The personality is rehonored *instead* of there being an honor gain. ;;;;; Subject: Re: Rules for 22 November 1999 From: Scott Schultz <scott@CEWEEKLY.COM> > My understanding of the current status of Kage/At'Tok'Tuk senseis > is that they make your kolat/ratlings "members" but not "aligned". No, not quite. They don't gain the *TRAIT* of any given clan. anything that looks for -- say -- Naga personalities (like an Ancestral Spear) doesn't see them as Naga. Anything that looks for someone "affiliated," "aligned," or "members" of your (non-specified) clan, sees them as belonging. > Purging looks for personalities that are not "aligned". I.E., this > is NOT a generic "look for members of my clan" card. As far as I can see, it is. But maybe I missed the question. Where you asking, "If I destroyed someone *other than* ratlings / Kolat people, would my ratlings / Kolat gain the bonus?" Then, the answer would be yes. ;;;;; Subject: Possible Winds Truth counter From: John Pool <shosuro@HOME.COM> > Deeds not words. Nope. The *source* of the honor change never alters as it's redirected. It's always from a battle, a holding, event, whatever. I suggest Scorpion's Sting. Zen Faulkes! * Crab Clan Scholar * Deputy Rules Assistant 23 November 1963 -- 23 November 1999: 36 of Doctor Who! **************************************************************************** The L5R Home Page: http://www.wizards.com/L5R To unsubscribe from this list send mail to listserv@oracle.wizards.com with the line 'SIGNOFF L5RInfo' as the body of the message. Contents (c)1999 Wizards of the Coast, Inc. All rights reserved. |
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