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Subj: [L5RINFO] Rules for 24 June 2000
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@EARTHLINK.NET>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:14:49 PDT
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>From:    Chris Ostermann <OninoBob@AOL.COM>
>>Subject: Re: Crane SH; Rulings, 2
>>
>>In a message dated 00-06-24 21:24:44 EDT, you write:
>>
><< Nothing that Crane can't do already. Fantastic Gardens off the box?
> If that was such a big deal, you'd have already seen a lot of Crane
> players using Taka Sensei >>
>
>I was under the impression that Crane paying 5 for the FG was a cost
>reduction, and so would not combine with this rumored Crane SH.
>
>Or does the phrase "costs 5 for Crane" not mean "Crane may pay 2 less gold
>for it," thereby not being a cost reduction?

     It's not a cost reduction.  It will combine with the Stronghold
discount.

;;;;;

>From:    Jon Paulson <Takezo1385@AOL.COM>
>Subject: [Dave,Jeff] Rules Q
>
>BUT nowhere on [Seppun Sensei] does it mention in ANY form about
> preventing reactions to
>gains/losses, let alone ALL reactions. What the card seems to imply is that
>players  may still react, but any effect that modifies (increase/decrease)
>the net gain/loss is negated. Thus it would still be possible for a samurai
>to respond to an honor loss with seppuku, but the total honor loss would
>remain unchanged.

     That is correct.

>Now the second thing that is bugging me about the rulings....
>
>~Does not stop effects that prevent honor gains / losses from occurring in
>the first place. Both of the following conditions must be met:
>
>~The effect must be in play before any honor changes are generated.
>
>Wouldn't *cancelling* be one such effect that prevents the honor gain/loss
>in
>the first place? *Cancelling* is treated as though the effect never happened
>at all, thus treating it as though there never was honor to gain or lose in
>the first place.
>
>I know reduction to zero and negating is out of the picture with Seppun
>sensei, but I see cancellation as quite a different Oni.

     Cancelling the whole action, not just the honor, *is* different.
Seppun Sensei won't stop it.

>PS can we get an *exact* definition of "changed" in regards to Seppun
>sensei?

     If you're trying to make any aspect of it different from what would
happen if it were allowed to go off with no voluntary interference,
you're changing it.  Changing the amount, nature (loss->gain or vice
versa), or recipient are all changes.  So is cancelling or negating the
loss/gain by itself (as opposed the entire action).

>Wouldn't "modified" or "altered" be a better wording?

     Seeing as none of them are defined, I don't see how.  I can see
the Glossary now:

        alter: see "change"

        change: see "modify"

        modify: see "alter"

;;;;;

>From:    Ben Sanders <bensanders@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK>
>Subject: Dangerous Choices
>
>How does Dangerous Choices work?
>[Political Reaction: Immediatly before gaining Honour for bringing an
>aligned Personality into play at full cost, waive the Honour gain to
>force each player playing a Clan to which the Personality is aligned to
>lose Honour equal to the Personality's Personal Honour.]
>
>Does the 'aligned Personality' need to be aligned to your clan?

     Yes.  That's the only time you gain honor for paying full price.
Incidentally, since waiving the gain is part of the cost, you are
inherently prohibited from playing more than one per Personality.

>If, as a Dragon Player, I bring Tagashi Mitsu in at full cost, and play
>Dangerous Choices, do I get to chose one of [Dragon/Monk/Toturi's Army]
>to lost the honour, or is it players of all 3 factions?

     By card text, it would be all three.

;;;;;

>From:    Mark Zohn <demilitarized@MINDSPRING.COM>
>Subject: Ancient Sage
>
>I wanted to know whether or not Ancient Sage can affect the focus values
>used when the draw and discard function is substituted by the spell
>Celestial Gift, or by the kiho Shooting Star Strike.

     With Celestial Gift and Shooting Star Strike, you still draw and
discard from your deck.  (You use the spell/kiho's focus value instead
of the discard's, not instead of discardING.)  The Ancient Sage can
still be used, but will still modify the discard's focus, making the
Sage well-nigh useless.


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