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Subj: [L5RINFO] rulings for 12-18 March 2000
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: L5RINFO@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:30:45 PST
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>From: Rich Noel <dragnskya@JUNO.COM>
>Subject: Re: [l5rusefulinfo] [L5RINFO] rulings for 6-8 March 2000
>
>Shinsiken doesn't target a cavalry card though. It removes cavalry from
>a target card. You can give cavalry to a card that already has cavalry
>(ex: Attaching warhorses to Otaku Kamoko). I'm not clear on why are the
>two situations are different. (This question of course assumes that
>neither effect specifically uses wording that specifies a "target cavalry
>card" or "target non-cavalry card"). Basically, I'm wondering if the
>ruling follows from old rules that I'm misunderstanding, or is a result
>of the newly-in-progress "no non-effective actions may be played" that
>y'all have been working on.
Think of this analogy: you can add a mud token to a card
which already has one, but you cannot remove a mud token from a
card which doesn't have any.
;;;;;
>From: Trevor Stone <tstone@FLWYD.DHS.ORG>
>Subject: Re: L5RINFO Digest - 11 Mar 2000 to 12 Mar 2000 (#2000-74)
>
>>>From: Jason Liang <jliang2@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>>Subject: Rise From the Ashes question
>>>
>>>Our "favorite" spell from Dark Journey Home states:
>>>
>>>Until your next events phase, no player can gain honor.
>>>
>>>Is this interpreted as:
>>>No player may take actions which gain honor
>>>or
>>>honor gains are cancelled
>>>or
>>>No player receives honor from a situation where they would ordinarily =
>>>gain honor?
>>
>> It's sort of the middle and last cases combined.
>>
>"Sort of?" In what way?
I mean, I really hope I don't have to decide whether they
don't happen at all or they happen and are immediately cancelled.
It'll be completely unimportant...until some card comes out three
or four expansions from now whose exact effects pivot hugely as a
result.
Right now, it doesn't matter whether they're prevented or
cancelled. Seppun Sensei stops both. I'm double-checking this
with the Junta, though.
>> Rise From the Ashes will not prevent unalterable honor gains.
>
>Hang on. Established rulings for Dark Path of Shadow and the Shadowlands
>Horde
>state that they don't even lose honor from unconditional losses.
The Horde is a special case. Always has been, always will be.
;;;;;
>From: Ben Sanders <bensanders@X-STREAM.CO.UK>
>Subject: Ikoma Kaoku
>
>If Kaoku is in the attacking army that destroys the opposing province,
>can he bow to give everyone +1/+1 before he is bowed by attacking.
No.
The original rationale behind the "does not need to be in
the battle" ruling is that he *would* bow before he could react
if he did have to be there, rendering him useless outside a
Rallying Cry combo. This ruling is necessary because, by his own
text, he *should* have to be there since he says "this army".
Then again, he was printed before the rule on phrases like "this
army" was completely formed.
;;;;;
>From: Scott Schultz <scott@CEWEEKLY.COM>
>Subject: Ruling request (Was:RE: [L5RINFO] F&S report)
>
>Okay, I have to ask because this came up at the second pre-release
>we attended. A player put the Hummingbird Tattoo on Mitsu and
>contended that it would straighten him even though he had fire
>tokens on him. There was general disagreement with this because
>the ruling in the past is that Mitsu cannot straighten by any
>means once he's bowed with tokens.
They had the right idea. The tattoo will not let him
straighten.
;;;;;
>From: Shosuro Rikimaru <rikimaru@RINKWORKS.COM>
>Subject: Rules questions [Jeff]
>
>Just two quick questions.
>
>Firstly, One of my personalities challenges an opposing samurai with
>Iaijutsu Challenge. He refuses. I want to use Kitsuki Kaagi to challenge the
>same guy again, but my opponent wants to seppuku the samurai to reduce the
>honour loss from the Challenge.
>
>Does he die, reducing the honour loss, preqventing me from challenging again
>with Kaagi or does Kaagi get to fight him?
According to the archives, Kaagi gets to fight him first.
>Secondly, about Ide Budoin's ability - he says "target an opposing
>Personality with Chi less than Buodin's. The Personality has -3F until the
>Resolution segment of this battle." Does that mean the target regains the
>lost force before Force Totals are compared?
I don't think so, but I'll have to ask Dave to be sure.
;;;;;
>From: Jeff Williamson <docangst@ENTERACT.COM>
>Subject: Re: Ruling request (Was:RE: [L5RINFO] F&S report)
>
>When a player is targeted by Defeat the Reserves, can they remove their
>own bowed units from the battle?
No.
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>From: Jean-Marc PIERRE <jean-marc.pierre@LIBERTYSURF.FR>
>Subject: Hantei Sensei Question
>
>I've played the pre-release Fire & Shadow tournament this week-end, and I've
>a question about the very good new card Hantei Sensei.
>
>Hantei Sensei
>+0PS +0GP +0FH
>All Clans*Sensei
>Limited: Once per game, target another player and name a non-Elemental Ring
>Fate card. For the rest of the game, that player cannot use that card except
>for its Focus value. The player may name a non-Elemental Ring Fate card that
>you cannot use for the rest of the game except for its Focus value.
>
>My question is : Can Hantei Sensei forbid the use of a Fate card that has
>already been put into play, as a Spell, Item or Sensei card ? Does "use"
>mean something like "put into play or play as an action", or something more
>?
According to Dave, this really, really, *really* ought to have
said "play" instead of "use".
;;;;;
>From: Hitomi Kagetora <kagetora@THEDRAGONCLAN.COM>
>Subject: Re: Hantei Sensei Question
>
> Not to mention, can Hantei Sensei name other Sensei cards as part of
>its ability?
Absolutely.
;;;;;
>From: James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
>Subject: Question re Sagoten
>
> Question:
> I am leading in honor. I play Tribute to Your House and lose a province.
>Can I now bow Asako Sagoten for an honor boost?
If you're now lowest (or tied for lowest), yes. You won't
actually see the gain until TtYH's effect ends.
;;;;;
>From: Jason Liang <jliang2@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Subject: Questions
>
>1) Come One at a Time can be used by my personality even if they have
>Kitsuki Kaagi's Journal attached, or if I've used A Test of Courage on
>them this turn, right?
Right. It doesn't target the challenger.
>2) When your opponent targets someone with Shoju Sensei's limited
>action, can you cancel the action, as with using Bad Kharma?
Not by Bad Kharma. That only cancels Action Cards. In
general, sure, if you have an appropriate counter, but remember,
if the whole action is cancelled, he can just try it again as his
next action since it doesn't count as used.
;;;;;
>From: Michael Reeves <Ekister101@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Death to Enlightenment Cheese (Duff response & more)
>
>[...] I don't know if I am beating
>down a fence that won't fall, but I know that in Magic the answer was to
>restrict or ban the card. I thought it was bad at first, but in the long run
>it made things easier. The major problem with magic was the number of
>expansions every year and the different formats. Now that L5R has extended,
>open and strict, we aren't far from more like banned and restricted lists.
And yet, we haven't drifted any closer since these multiple
tournament formats were initiated months ago.
;;;;;
>From: Ben Sanders <bensanders@X-STREAM.CO.UK>
>Subject: Re: Ikoma Kaoku
>
>Are you saying that (if resolving the battle at the last province to have a
>battle this attack) both Counterattack and Rallying Cry react to the same
>thing?
>(This appears to be the case when reading them)
They, in fact, do.
>Does this mean that the bowing of the units from that battle occures after
>the
>Counterattack (with all its attacks) has resolved?
>
>[Quoting again:
> "Battle resolution" includes only the destruction of the losing
> army and, if necessary, the Province. The bowing of attacking and
> allied units happens immediately after
> resolution, in a separate step. [DW, netnews, 7/3/97, and l5rinfo,
> 7/11/97]
>]
>Rephrasing the question I was asking orignally; is Kaoku's 'after the
>battle'
>different to 'after the battle resolution'.
No.
> If it was the same, then you
>wouldn't need the rally to use him on attack.
Yes you do.
>If not, when exactly is 'after the battle'? Is it after the counterattack?
I've double-checked the latest rulebook. Bowing happens after
the destruction of the losing side and marks the end of that battle.
The archive entry is pretty old and uses the word "resolution" to
refer to just the "compare Force and destroy" bit, not the entire
Resolution Segment.
;;;;;
>From: Kakita Yasuyo <yasuyo@MINDRUSH.COM.AU>
>Subject: Re: Rules questions [Jeff]
>
>> "The challenge happens before any consequences of refusing the duel.
>> [l5rinfo, 2/99] For instance, if someone refuses an Iaijutsu Challenge,
>> Kaagi's duel starts before that person can commit seppuku to avoid the
>> pending 7-pt honor loss -- and if the refuser dies in Kaagi's duel, he
>> cannot commit seppuku when the loss finally occurs."
>
>Hehe Thanks Nekokaburai-san - with this in mind I have a question that
>relates to something that occurred in a game involving you
>recently :>
>
>Can Fires of Retribution be played in response to the use of Rise from the
>Ashes?
>It's a similar situation with Rise actually having a distinct sentence after
>all of it's "Effects" saying it destroys itself. So if
>Kaagi trumps the seppuku from a duel does Fires trump a spells "destroy this
>spell" clause ? :>
Fires can't be played until after the spell's effect(s)
resolve. Kaagi gets used when a challenge is refused -- that's
not necessarily the last thing the card creating the challenge
does.
Now, that being said, Iaijutsu Challenge has apparently
been changed so that the dishonor and honor loss are costs. I
*really* don't like that. It means that someone who cannot be
dishonored or lose honor cannot refuse, or that if they try to
refuse and the loss is reduced or cancelled, they have to fight
anyway. That's just wrong, and likely should still be treated
as a penalty instead, meaning it still happens after the refusal
and the current ruling on Kaagi can stand. I'll let you know.
;;;;;
>From: Lon Franson <rotogar@MAC.COM>
>Subject: Rules Question - Benefices of the Emperor
>
>I looked in the accumulated rulings file and couldn't find anything, so I
>thought I would ask. The event reads:
>
>"All players may select and then simultaneously reveal and discard one card
>from their hands. The player whose card has the lowest focus value gains an
>additional province to the left of his or her leftmost province. The player
>whose card has the highest focus value has his or her maximum hand size
>increased by three cards and may immediately draw three cards. If there is a
>tie for lowest and/or highest, no one receives that "prize." "
>
>What happens if only one player chooses to reveal one card?
She receives both prizes, as she has both the highest and
the lowest card and there are no ties. A "tie", by definition,
requires at least two players.
;;;;;
>From: Jason Wright <hida_raijin@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: A question about the new elemental onis
>
>Its about the new elemental onis. To use as an example I've chosen Toichi.
>
>3F Toichi 4C
>-FH 6GC 0PH
>Unaligned Elemental Terror. Earth Oni. Nonhuman. Shadowlands. Lose 4 Honor.
>Toichi cannot attach Followers or Items. Elemental Battle: A number of times
>per turn up to Toichi's Chi, an opposing Personality gains +1F.
>
>Ok, my question is will his Elemental action be considered a Earth action
>also?
Yes. All actions printed on a card carry all the traits
that the card itself has as well as their own.
;;;;;
>From: Daniel Tibbles <d_tibbs@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Hantei Sensei
>
>Am I to understand this to mean that cards that have been Hantei'd can still
>be attached and that once they are attached they can still be used?
Still be attached, no, because that would be "playing" them.
If they're already attached they can still be used.
;;;;;
>From: James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
>Subject: Re: Rules questions [Jeff]
>
><snip>
>> >From Rise
>> Limited: Bow this Shugenja. Until your next Events Phase, no player can
>gain Honor, declare an attack, or target any opponent's card
>> with actions. Any Honor gains you have made this turn are retroactively
>negated. This is not considered an Honor loss. Rise from the
>> Ashes is then discarded from play.
>>
>> Note how the text is "is then discarded from play" - To my mind this says
>"after all the previous has occured this spell is
>> discarded" Allowing time for a reaction.
>
> Which is why you are allowed to counter the spell with actions that
>negate political actions, for instance "Enough Talk".
> So there should be enough time in there for a reaction like Fires.
It depends on the wording of the reaction. Fires of
Retribution doesn't get played until all the spell's or innate
ability's effects are done resolving. Enough Talk! gets played
along with an action and cancels it mid-stream. They're not
necessarily going to work like one another just because they're
both Reactions.
;;;;;
>From: James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
>Subject: Re: F&S Spoiler Comment
>
>> Kolat Assistance
>> 0G
>> Kolat Limited: Target another player's Holding. Until the turn ends, you can
>> bow the holding to produce Gold. Until your next Events Phase, the player
>> can bow any or all of your Holdings to produce Gold. Lose 2 Honor.
>> 3F
>>
>> Has anyone thought of a use for this card?
>
> Also, (and yes, this is cheesy and probably illegal) the wording says
>holding. Not GOLD-PRODUCING holding, just holding. Bowing a Go Master would
>produce zero gold - but might win you a battle.
You cannot bow a non-GPH to produce gold. No one can.
;;;;;
>From: Philip Flores <philipf@ACBC.COM>
>Subject: Hantei Sensei & First Shout
>
>I've been doing some thinking about how things would work if The First
>Shout was one of the cards chosen by somebody playing with Hantei Sensei,
>and I would appreciate some feedback.
>
>Since the card is still usable for its focus value, it could be used as a
>focus in a duel, but the "your opponent must focus randomly" clause would
>not take effect even if you were able to focus the card face up (Bo
>Staff, your opponent has the Ring of Fire in play, etc.).
That is correct.
> And unless you
>had somehow played the 1st Shout face up, you could not focus the 2nd
>Shout face up & use the "your opponent must discard their last focus"
>ability, although you could focus it face down for the 2 Chi.
>
>However, if your personality survived the duel, you could play the the
>2nd Shout for effect later that turn in another duel or in battle.
>
>Have I got it right?
No. The Second Shout requires you to "perform" the First
Shout. That means use its Reaction or Battle Action, not just
focus with it. With Hantei Sensei in effect, that's impossible.
;;;;;
>From: Jordan Murari <jordan.murari@HOMEDICS.COM>
>Subject: Hantei Sensei Rulings Questions [JEFF] [Dave]
>
> Ok I was doing some thinking about Hantei sensei and I came up with
>a couple questions. First off, can we get a good definition of use? Let me
>give you some examples and you tell me what is "using" then card.
>
>A) Can I discard to Kuni Yori for discard effect?
Yes. You're not playing the card.
>B) What if I use Ryosei E1 to retain a kiho and my opponent randomly selects
>a Hanteied card? Here I don't have a guess, can I discard that, does it
>cancel the retention attempt? Does the world implode?
Again, you're not playing it. It works fine.
>C) Ryosei E2 I guess this goes along with A, is a spell card still a spell
>card, and can it be discarded? (again I say it's "being used for something
>other than focus value and illegal")
The last I heard from Dave is that even the card's type gets
erased. It's no longer a spell card, or an action card, or an
item card... It's just a Fate card.
;;;;;
>From: Shawn Williams <Wpndelta@AOL.COM>
>Subject: L5R Is there an address for getting official rulings/questions
>resolved
>
>Hello,
> Is there an official Email address where I can have my questions on
>rules, rulings, errata, changes, etc. answered.
Try jwa0@earthlink.net (that's me, with a zero) or
l5r@lightside.com (that's Dave).
> I haven't had many questions but here is one that got me several
>opposing answers.
>
>Celestial Alignment & Ritual Spells
>
> Celestial Alignment (Imperial Edition) Which reads" Shugenja Personalities
>do not need to bow to activate spells or innate abilities. No Shugenja may
>use the same spell or innate ability more than once during the Celestial
>Alignment. The Alignment last until the beginning of this player's next
>turn."
>
> If I have the Celestial Alignment in play and I perform a rtiual spell,
>do any of the additional Shugenja bow to aid with the casting of the spell?
Yes. Only the primary shugenja is considered to be casting
the spell.
;;;;;
>From: martin arnold <martyarnie@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Come one at a time
>
>According to the rulebook, the battle action segment is over when a terrain
>resolves. If thats the case, what happens to Come One At A Time...hwo can
>you make use of the abilities as the card implies that the terrain resolves
>immediately?
Not quite. Reverse your cause and effect. The Terrain
Resolution Segment happens when the Battle Action Segment is
over. Terrains normally resolve now...unless they're special
terrains that go into effect as soon as they're played, like the
one in this example.
;;;;;
>From: Corwin Wilkins <bayushi_karasu@JUNO.COM>
>Subject: Re: Hantei Sensei
>
>What happens to a card that was in play upon the activation of the sensei
>and somehow ends back in the deck or hand? Is it still legal to play it?
No.
;;;;;
>From: Jean-Marc PIERRE <jean-marc.pierre@LIBERTYSURF.FR>
>Subject: A question about switching stats
>
>I still can't figure how exactly works a card like Fortress of the Dragonfly
>with personalities switch Force and Chi values.
You swap the two numbers and use the new numbers as the base
for all subsequent changes.
>Two examples to illustrate it :
>
>1) I have a Fortress of the Dragonfly Fortress in play ("All of your human
>and naga personalities have +1 chi while the Fortress of the Dragonfly is in
>play."). So my Hoshi Wayan his 0F 4C. I play Within your Soul on him to
>switch his force and his Chi.
>According to a ruling about Ki-Rin's Shrine :
>"Exchanging Chi and Personal Honor will kill someone with a pre-swap
>Personal Honor of zero, as his Chi will drop briefly to this value.
>[netnews, 11/99]"
>I would say that Wayan briefly becomes 4F and 0C, and dies.
There's no "briefly" about it. He's 4F/0C for the rest of
the turn (and likely in the dead pile for at least that long...).
Ki-Rin's Shrine is odd because it imposes a minimum value to Chi,
not a Chi bonus.
>2) I have a Fortress of the Dragonfly Fortress in play. My Shioda is 1F 5C
>because of the fortress. I play Within your Soul on him. Does he become 5F
>1C ? or 4F 2C ? or 5F 2C ?
He was a 1/5, so he's a 5/1 now.
>That's a question of "timing" because the Fortress applies permanently to
>all my personalities, so when should I check their Chi to increase it ?
>Why should I check it only before the switch ?
Because when you set a stat directly to some value, and
you're not using something that refers to "base" or "printed"
values, you set its new *current* value. "Current", by
definition, means the final total. That means you don't get to
add any bonuses again -- they're assumed to already be a part of
this new total, somehow. That sole Fortress is still adding to
his Chi, it's just adding in such a way that Shioda's new grand
total Chi is 1. If you play another Fortress that turn, it'll
briefly rise to 2. If, instead, your Fortress is destroyed that
turn, it'll drop to 0 and he'll die.
;;;;;
>From: Leon Phillips <Sphynx@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Hida/COAAT question [Jeff?]
>
>I'm a little befuddled as to whether or not Come One At A Time could be used
>by an attacking personality with Hida Technique. I've seen arguments both
>ways but I'd like an official take on it.
The Personalities playing Hida Technique would count as
additional defenders and violate the "If there is only one
Defending Personality" test. No one could challenge.
;;;;;
>From: Tim Maruyama <tmmaruyama@SPRINT.CA>
>Subject: Re: BROKEN COMBO!!!!
>
>> Come One at a Time is a fun card. But (barring Nunchaku) it has the same
>> fragility of any other terrain.
>
>You mean vulnerability to Superior Tactics, Diversionary Tactics, Go
>Master, the Ancient Halls of the Lion, and so on? No it doesn't. Re-read
>the text:
>
>Come One at a Time
>0 Gold
>Battle Terrain: This Terrain takes effect when played. If there is only one
>defending Personality, the Personality gains the ability "Battle: Issue an
>irrefusable challenge to an opposing personality." The Personality can
>issue one such challenge immediately after you play this Terrain. Any
>player with one or more units in the attacking army can take the action
>"Battle: Remove one of your bowed or unbowed units from this battle."
>1 Focus
>
>Note that nowhere in the text does it say, "while this Terrain is in play".
>Which means that the defending personality still has the ability even if
>the terrain is destroyed or negated.
I'm officially ruling that it's only effective while in play.
This could likely need to be errata.
;;;;;
>From: Jonathan Ng <tiny1996@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: Agasha Tamori and Within Your Soul
>
>Does Agasha Tamori gain his +3C when using the kiho "Within Your Soul"?
>In short does he become a 5/1 or a 2/1?
He starts at a 1/2.
He announces casting Within Your Soul. He's bowing to produce a
spell effect, so he gains 3C.
His stats (1/5) are reversed, making him a 5/1.
He's no longer producing a spell effect, so his 3C bonus wears off.
He promptly becomes 5/-2 and dies.
Really.
;;;;;
>From: Jens Beyer <jens_beyer@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Oni no Kamu Question [Jeff][Andy]
>
>HI,
>i have a question about the Oni no Kamu Foil Card. Is Oni no Kamu Unique or
>not??????
Sill Unique.
;;;;;
>From: Leon Phillips <Sphynx@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Hida/COAAT question [Jeff?]
>
><<IMHO, COaaT does not target a personality, so no.>>
>
>>From the wording on the card and the accumulated rulings it doesn't appear
>that the defending affect needs to target. Hida technique says "Cards in
>this unit can be targeted and affected by cards as if they were defending
>even if they are in the attacking army.". So one might gather that the
>"targeted" needs to be part of the action. However, the accumulated rulings
>suggest that traits of attached items give their "defensive" bonuses to the
>attacking personality, implying that targeting does *not* have to be part of
>the formula.
>
>Does this mean the Hida Technique should have read "... targeted *and/or*
>affected ..."?
It means you should read it as "can be targetted and can be
affected", which is hardly a stretch.
;;;;;
>From: David Williams <l5r@LIGHTSIDE.COM>
>Subject: Re: Hantei Sensei [Jeff, Dave]
>
>>David Williams writes:
>>
>>Now for the fun question: I play with Grandfather's Jaw, and my
>>opponent plays with Iaijutsu Duels. If my opponent wants to prevent me
>>from ever copying his own Duels, does he have to name Grandfather's
>>Jaw, or Iaijutsu Duel? (basically: Grandfather's Jaw "becomes an exact
>>copy" of an Action card; does this also cover its name?)
>
>My initial reaction is that he would only have to name "duel",
>because the Jaw becomes an exact copy (including name). But I'm not
>sure if we have anti-precedent, and I'm not attached enough to this
>ruling to change a previous one. Lemme check with Jeff.
I agree.
;;;;;
>From: Jared Devlin-Scherer <hinoryu@MEDIAONE.NET>
>Subject: Re: Rulings Questions[Andy][Jeff][Dave]
>
>What are the exact effects of Seppun Sensei?
>Can a player using Seppun Sensei cast a Rise from the ashes and not be
>effected by it?
Yes.
>Can a player using Seppun Sensei cancel honor losses with the favor?
Not his own, no matter whether he's using the Favor or
something else. He may cancel other players' losses.
>Can a player using Seppun Sensei cancel redirected honor losses from his
>opponent? Can this player re-redirect these honor losses?
No and no.
>Is Oni no Kamu unique or not?
Unique.
;;;;;
>From: todd <tyner@SUNNETWORKS.NET>
>Subject: Re: Oni no Kamu Question [Jeff][Andy]
>
>why didnt it just get reprinted with the unique trait(oni no kamu)?
Mujina, maybe?
>and has there been a decesion on seppun sensie and lies^3 yet?
Yes, and it begins with a "W".
;;;;;
>From: James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
>Subject: Re: Unicorn v. T.A. v. Phoenix
>
> Unicorn has received diddly.
>
> Look at it this way. You have a deck. A new set comes out, with a bunch
>of new cards. You go through the new cards and ask yourself, "Is this new
>card so good that I should replace X with it?" If the answer is yes, then
>you do so, and the card turns out to be beneficial for your clan - your clan
>has "received" something from the expansion.
>
> Phoenix has received TWT, FtH, . . . just about every new "overpowered"
>card. They have gotten a lot out of the last couple of expansions.
That doesn't quite follow. Please tell me exactly which
cards Phoenix decks used prior to Honor Bound and Ambition's Debt
that they replaced one-for-one with TWT and FtH while leaving the
rest of the deck unchanged.
I'm not saying Phoenix hasn't benefitted. I'm saying your
"proof" that they've received more than Unicorn trips over some
very basic logic.
;;;;;
>From: Scott Hebert <scott_hebert@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Agasha Tamori and Within Your Soul
>
>Sayken-san, this actually is correct. They ruled a while ago that anything
>that affects spells (as a class) also affects kihos. So, yes, Tamori does
>gain 3C when performing a kiho.
Correct.
>If it's _not_ in the Accumulated Rulings or Honor Bound rulebook, it needs
>to be put in there.
It's in the FAQ and the Ambition's Debt rulebook.
;;;;;
>From: Jason Liang <jliang2@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Subject: Oracle of Thunder
>
>Oracle of Thunder considered an Oracle for all purposes of being
>considered an Oracle (The Prophecies)?
Yup. Straightforward application of the Foo Rule.
>In the same direction, is Oracle of Thunder considered a Thunder for all
>purposes of being considered a Thunder?
>
>Well... I doubt the previous makes any difference... Togashi Yokuni/
>Shiryo no Mirumoto/ The Hooded Ronin looks for "Seven Thunder" cards...
>
>...except none of the Seven Thunders say that they are a Seven Thunder
>(for instance, Doji Hoturi exp2 is the Crane Thunder...)
>
>The point? Above said cards don't work the way they are suppose to, or
>else there is an "understanding" that the Seven Thunders are the exp2
>versions of the Seven Thunders in the storyline...
It's the latter. Only "XXX Clan Thunder" cards are elegible
as references to "Seven Thunder" cards.
>... but then, what is to say that the nonexp versions of said
>personalities aren't considered Seven Thunder personalities as well?
Because it's a matter of traits, and because they hadn't
realized their destinies yet.
>What is to say that Shosuro isn't considered one of the Seven Thunders?
>(BTW now I am confused... didn't the original Scorpion thunder die? Why
>does Kachiko refer to Shosuro as the Scorpion Thunder?)
Because he/she was. Shosuro was the only Thunder from the
first Day of Thunder to survive the day of battle. He/She died
from injuries shortly after returning and delivering the Obsidian
Hand to Bayushi. We now know that death to have been feigned.
;;;;;
>From: Jason Liang <jliang2@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>
>Subject: Dark Oracle of Water/ Monsoon Season
>
>If there is no cavalry assignment phase, such as with Monsoon season,
>then is it true that Dark Oracle of Water can not be used? As it reacts
>to the cavalry assignment phase.
I would have to agree. If the Cavalry Maneuvers Segment
simply isn't there, the Dark Oracle of Water cannot be used.
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