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Subj: [L5RINFO] rulings for 23-24 January 2000
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: L5RINFO@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:31:50 PST
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>From: Robert Calder <rcalder@ELP.RR.COM>
>Subject: Rules Q: Senseis & Special Production
>
>Do Senseis that reduce the gold production of a stronghold
>also reduce gold produce by special clauses on the stronghold?
No. "Gold production" is the number in the middle on the
right-hand side of the Stronghold.
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>From: Bruce Mackay <scottie@UDEL.EDU>
>Subject: Questions
>
> A question about rituals. The rulebook stats that the Shugenja with the
>spell is the primary Shugenja. Does this Shugenja get to counted (for
>something like Fear's bane) or is it all the Shugenja excluding the primary
>one.
The primary shugenja is also counted unless the Ritual
mentions "additional" shugenja.
> Another one about Shiryo no Togashi. It says "This Personality may
>attach and use one spell as if he or she were a Shugenja while this card is
>in play. " Can the personality bow to do kihos or are they limited to just
>the one spell?
Just the one spell he's attached. Attaching is something
you can only do with a card, and if you're talking about physical
cards, spells and kiho are still different (this bit is in the FAQ).
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>
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>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:39:01 EST
>From: Connor Alexander <Parodoxiom@AOL.COM>
>Subject: exile's road question...
>
>hey all..it was raised earlier that exiles road / clan heartland makes a
>nearly immune to attack combo. Has this been clarified or accepted? Will it
>stay that way?
Yes and yes.
> This combo destroys any attack deck not carring silly things
>like salt the earth or black wind...
But first it has to happen. It also relies on your opponent
playing Clan Heartland in a military deck (at least in a two-
player game). How often does THAT happen?
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>From: Joe Fulgham <puck@HOLYCOW.COM>
>Subject: Re: exile's road question...
>
> It's a pretty tricky combo to pull off (requiring your opponent to play a
>specific region, and have it in play early enough so your ER's show up to
>copy them) so I don't know if Jeff wants to make a specific ruling against
>it.
I don't really *like* it, but I was outvoted / slash /
convinced it wasn't serious enough to warrant prohibiting.
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>From: Noah overton <puckstpr39@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: Scorpion stronghold abilty
>
>can the Scorpion stronghold abilty to look at your hand and lose 1 honor be
>used more then once a turn. you know I look at your had XXX times then
>breach
>you after I go under your honor.
There is no limit to the number of times it can be used per
turn. (Note: Since it doesn't say otherwise, it cannot be used
at all if the Stronghold is bowed.)
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>From: Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@TEGEL.CO.NZ>
>Subject: Hoshi Wayan / Hoshi Wayan (exp)
>
>If you have Hoshi Wayan nonexp. and exp. in play can you use the exp.
>version to steal a force bonus after the non-exp. version has copied it. I
>know the question has already been asked but there is no info in the
>accumulated rulings.
>
>Wayan non-exp. version says "immediately after" whereas the Wayan exp. says
>"when".
>
>I guess my question is - does "when" happen before "immediately after", at
>the same time or after? If it is before, I guess you cannot use both
>abilities but if it is at the same time or after, you can.
"When"-reactions always go before "after"-reactions.
You can't use both abilities.
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>From: Mark Wootton <Kakita@KAKITA.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
>Subject: Re: [Jeff] Hiruma Sensei and the journal
>
>Greetings all
>
>Dean
>
>Thank you for your comments on my Hiruma Sensei question. As you probably
>would expect I disagree ;-)
>
>Here is why:
>
>[DM] I believe in the case of Kaagi's Journal, the journal does not stop you
>from using a ranged attack in a battle (or any other targeted action). If
>there were two Personalities in the opposing army, one with the Journal
>attached, you would still be able to play actions that target Personalities
>i.e. the Journal does not prevent actions such as Range Attacks from being
>played. So there is *no effect* that prevents you from using Range Attacks.
>
>[DM] In general, with Hiruma Sensei, you must think of all situations when
>trying to decide whether or not a card effect prevents you from playing an
>action. A Personality/Unit unable to be targeted by Range Attacks does not
>stop you from using Range Attacks. You are only being stopped from
>*targeting* that Personality/Unit with a Range Attack.
>
>[MW]
>You are focussing on the issue of whether you are "prevented" from playing
>an action or not. I do not see this as a valid point in the Hiruma Sensei
>debate. The Sensei simply says, "...the defender.may play actions regardless
>of card effects." Because of the understandable uses against Deadly Ground
>people tend to look on it that way (i.e. is card 'x' preventing you from
>taking an action?). It is not about whether I can or can't take an action.
>It is about whether or not the word 'regardless' means what it says. Can I
>take an action regardless of card effects?
>
>I agree that in your example with two opposing units there is nothing
>preventing me from taking the action of performing a ranged attack. However,
>there is a >card< effect in play that would normally prevent me from
>targeting that personality with the said ranged attack. HS implies that I
>can take the ranged attack action without regard to any card effects. If
>targeting is part of that action (and I have always assumed that targeting
>is part of performing an action) and the 'regardless of card effects'
>component of HS does refer to every part of the action, then, by every
>ruling I have seen my interpretation has to hold true. You see?
Okay. Quiz time:
Does Hiruma Sensei let you Charge a defender?
Think about it. Charge's own text is what limits it to
being played on attacking Personalities only. Thus, a card
effect is stopping you from playing it on one of your own
people. By your argument, you should be able to play it
anyway.
But that's just wrong. Hiruma Sensei is not that powerful.
You can't Charge your defenders. You can't Iaijutsu Duel your
allies. You can't shoot non-Shadowlands cards with Crystal
Arrows. All of this is because there *is* a fundamental
difference between "Can I do this?" and "Can I do this to that
guy over there?", and Hiruma Sensei only addresses the former.
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>From: Rich Noel <dragnskya@JUNO.COM>
>Subject: Re: [l5rusefulinfo] [L5RINFO] Rulings for 15-19 January 2000
>
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:46:59 -0800 Jeff Alexander <jwa0@EARTHLINK.NET>
>writes:
>>>From: "Ian R. Ryan" <iryan@UPS.EDU>
>>>Subject: Another Blessings of Isawa Question
>>>So the Accumulated Rulings states that "The kiho becomes
>>>castable only by the Personality it's attached to. [9/22/99]"
>>>Q: Does this mean that the ability can in no way be copied?
>>>NSS, for instance?
>> It can be copied, as it is considered to be on the
>>Personality. What the ruling means is that you can no longer bow
>>"any monk or shugenja" to cast it -- just the person who has the
>>ability.
>
>You cannot have it both ways. Either using the ability is dependant on
>having the kiho attached, in which case it can NOT be copied (without
>finding a way to move the attached kiho), or it is NOT dependant on
>having the kiho attached, in which case losing the attached kiho (as in,
>through destruction/Feign Death) has no effect on the ability.
Blessings of Isawa clearly says it becomes an ability of
the Personality. There shouldn't be a question whether it can
be copied. It can.
I'll bring up with Dave again how the attaching factors
into the whole thing.
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>From: Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@TEGEL.CO.NZ>
>Subject: Dangerous Terrain and Defensible Position
>
>Dangerous Terrain destroys Personalities and Followers with under 1 Force at
>battle resolution.
>
>Could a Personality be considered to have under 1 Force if the Personality
>is bowed for Dangerous terrain, since bowed Personalities and Followers
>contribute zero force to the army.
A bowed Follower contributes 0F to its unit but doesn't
actually have its Force changed to 0. Likewise, a unit led by
a bowed Personality has a unit Force of 0 but the Personality
himself is still whatever Force he really is.
>The reason I ask is that I am trying to find a use for this terrain.
It kills really weenie things, basically.
>Defensible Position gives each Personality and Follower -1F until the battle
>ends. Does this take affect immediately? It does not say that it does unlike
>terrains like Deadly Ground, but the phrase "until the Battle ends" implies
>that it does. I am also trying to think of reasons to use this terrain.
It takes effect at the normal time for terrains, which is
after everyone passes and before resolution. It only lasts until
the end of resolution.
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Replies from Dave!
Subject: Hirariko
Current ruling stands. Her trait "Items provide no bonuses or
special effects in a duel against Hirariko." should be read as
"Items provide no bonuses or special effects against Hirariko in
a duel." It applies regardless of who challenged whom and her
own items function normally.
Subject: Celestial Gift / Shooting-Star Strike
Tentative ruling stands. Casting these does not substitute for
the entire act of discarding, only the discard's focus value.
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