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Subj: [L5RINFO] rulings for 15-21 December 1999
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: L5RINFO@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:13:24 PST
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>From: Corwin Wilkins <bayushi_karasu@JUNO.COM>
>Subject: Some Rules Q's
>
>Does Bayushi Aramoro's Discarding ability count as targetting a "card".
>It states it forces the discard of a card from a province. I read that to
>mean it targets the province generally and only targets a specific card
>if the province holds more than one. This came up due to Rise from the
>Ashes, can he use the ability?
He targets the card, not the Province. He can't be used
against an opponent after RftA has been cast.
>Does bowing people to destroy a certain item or holding per that card
>count as targetting that card? Example; Jade throne or den of spies.
No.
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>Subject: Re: This game needs women!!!
Seems Y2K is a myth after all. It really is almost 1900.
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>From: Ronnie Hembree <ugohei@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: The grear silence question
>
>Hello all, I have a question about the kiho The Great Silence. I was wanting
>to know if you used it in battle if the monk or shuggy that was casting it
>needed to be at the current battle or if it can be cast outside of battle.
The shugenja casting it has to be present, to satisfy
the Rule of Relevance.
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>From: "Michael J. Watkins" <michael.watkins@LMCO.COM>
>Subject: Fires of Retribution Q
>
>With spells and spell effects (read kiho) being the same (ala Shiba
>Kyo), would Fires of Retribution destroy a kiho? To keep it from being
>recycled etc...
No. From the FAQ:
] However, there is still a distinction between spell and kiho
] cards. Kiho are Action Cards only. Anything that lets you
] search for a spell in your deck, or attach a spell, or retrieve
] a spell from your discard pile, still only refers to spell
] cards and can not be used on kiho cards.
Fires of Retribution reads, "Elemental Reaction: Play after
a spell effect is produced to destroy the spell card."
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>From: "Cesar A. Lopez Jr." <shaolindevil@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: New Akasha question
>
>I was reading the accumulated rulings and I noticed something about the
>New Akasha:
>The New Akasha
>
>Paying 2g less for aligned Personalities is not a cost reduction. It
>will combine with the 2g discount for Crabs when buying a Personality
>who is both Crab and Naga.
>
>So that got me thinking are there anyways to to decrease the cost of my
>Crab personlities even further when i bring them out?
By the text on The New Akasha, no.
>Also I asked this before but I never saw a response, does Silence (HB
>personalities Crab Clan Sentinel. Samurai. Any action from a card not
>in this unit that increases Silence's Force gives him an extra +1F for
>the same duration.) get an additional bonus when he's in an army with a
>Naga
Not from The New Akasha's stronghold trait. It's not
an action.
> and what if he has a Kaimetsu-Uo's Ono (HB items Weapon.
>Reaction: When this personality receives a force bonus from a card
>outside this unit, he or she gains an extra +1F for the same period of
>time.) attached does he get yet another bonus??
Again, no. The New Akasha stronghold isn't a card.
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>From: Don Gates <dgates@PRIMENET.COM>
>Subject: [Jeff] Questions on Dirty Politics & Kolat Recruiter
>
>1) Situation: I am playing a non-SLH deck against a Shadowlands
>Horde deck. I play an Iaijutsu Challenge, targetting one of their non-
>samurai (in case they had any). My opponent declines. May I
>play Dirty Politics and gain 7 honor? I believe that I can - the FAQ
>states that playing Horde doesn't cancel losses - they just don't
>apply. I took that to mean the loss is created but not incurred.
>The bit on Dirty Politics, however, says 'When another player is
>losing honor...' so this may provide the basis for *not* being able to
>play it.
Gains and losses simply never exist for a SLH player.
You can't play Dirty Politics.
>2) Situation: I am playing a Crane deck against another Crane
>deck. During my turn I play a Kolat Recruiter to 'swipe' his Diadoji
>Sembei. Do I gain 1 honor (3 gain from paying full price for DS - 2
>loss from the K.R.) or lose 2? I assume I gain 1 as the portion of
>the rulebook discussing Personalities indicates that 'If you are
>bringing into play a personality of your Clan, you can either pay 2
>less gold or add his or her Personal Honor to your family honor."
The fairly long-standing ruling is that this only applies
during your own Dynasty Phase. You'd lose 2 honor.
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>From: Brian Duff <RUGBY4HIRE@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Re: What is clan loyalty - please add to the list.
>
>so I will follow the
>guidance of the great samurai Silence and remain silent.
Minor nit: Silence is deaf, not mute.
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>From: dustin howard <whowhoamamii@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: rules for 12-13 December 1999
>
>Dont forget Soshi Taoshi. Scorpion, shugenja and Cavalry.
>I had heard a rumor that he was reprinted with a new gold cost as
>a foil. Is he still 7 gold?
Yes. The rumor is inaccurate.
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>From: James Collier <smalltownpress@AZTEC-NET.COM>
>Subject: basic and Experienced
>
> If a basic personality is reprinted with the Jade bug, does that make
>experienced versions JadeX as well?
Not until January 1st.
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>From: Andrew Buhagiar <werd@NETROVER.COM>
>Subject: Paying Costs
>
>This was the situation.
>Player A is Ninja. He has the Ring of the Void in play, a Merchant Caravan,
>and one card in his hand (focus value of 2). In his dynasty phase, he wants
>to try to bring a personality into play (cost 6 gold), by using the mercahnt
>caravan. He realizes that it won't work, he just wants to get rid of his
>card. Is this legal? We decided NO because it sounds similar to the
>Flattery/Toturi is Drugged situation, where you have to pay the entire cost
>or not even start.
I'd invoke the Wanker Rule and stamp a big, red "ILLEGAL"
across his forehead.
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>From: Todo YJA Monk <peoples_champ@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Paying Costs
>
>>This was the situation.
>>Player A is Ninja. He has the Ring of the Void in play, a Merchant
>>Caravan,
>>and one card in his hand (focus value of 2). In his dynasty phase, he
>>wants
>>to try to bring a personality into play (cost 6 gold), by using the
>>mercahnt
>>caravan. He realizes that it won't work, he just wants to get rid of his
>>card. Is this legal? We decided NO because it sounds similar to the
>>Flattery/Toturi is Drugged situation, where you have to pay the entire cost
>>or not even start.
>>
>>Any thoughts???
>>
>>Hida Hanzoui
>
>No, he can start, and be unable to pay. It's in the rulebook.
Where?
> However, by
>doing this, make him discard the person he was trying to pay for. Because in
>the rules it says if you cannot meet the honor or gold requirement for a
>person after you've started paying for them, they are discarded.
Untrue. It says exactly the opposite. Ambition's Debt, p. 36.
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>From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@PLANET.NET.AU>
>Subject: Rules for 19-20 December 1999
>
>Greetings,
>
>From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Subject: my vacation
>
>> That's it for me for a week. Zen is hereby deputized in my absence,
>> assuming he's not busy with holiday plans himself.
>
> Science takes no holidays.
Irrelevant. Making L5R rulings isn't a science, it's an art. :)
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>From: Connor Alexander <Parodoxiom@AOL.COM>
>Subject: dirty scorpion children
>
>hey all...a question was raised the other day...can the scorpion children
>cancel the ninja's stronghold ability? it seems to be a "ninja action
>targeting you or your cards". just curious...
No. It is neither a "ninja action" (the "ninja" keyword doesn't
appear in any appropriate location) nor targetted in any way (the
whole attacking army is sent home, never providing a choice of
players or units to affect).
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>From: Don Gates <dgates@PRIMENET.COM>
>Subject: Re: more ninja questions
>
>On 21 Dec 99, at 21:23, Connor Alexander wrote:
>
>> ok, now more damn ninja issues came up in a game with my friend today.
>> <sigh> damn ninja. anyways, can cancelling ninja kidnapper "pay 10 gold as
>> an open action" be cancelled with way of shadow. we sadly had to say
>> yes...but is this true? its an action...and i think its targeting the
>> card... help :)
>
> Tough question...but I'd say 'No.' It's not (IMO) a targetted
>action - you don't normally have an action that says 'Spend 10
>gold, select a card in play and remove it.' The only way you could
>possibly have a choice in the matter would be if there were 2+
>Ninja Kidnapper cards in play. It's more like you're performing an
>action on the NK (though not really) than targetting it with an action.
Correct. No targetting is involved in paying off a Ninja
Kidnapper ransom, so Way of Shadow cannot be used. Neither can
Investigation.
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>From: Yogo Junzo's Poet <dark@INTERPATH.COM>
>Subject: "In Play" (zen)
>
>If "discard from play" means remove from the game,
>as opposed to simply "discard", it would appear that
>those cards in my discard/dead pile, (or fate discard
>pile, for that matter), are still "in play".
Not so. "Discarded from play" is a phrase with a special
meaning. That doesn't mean that every single word in the phrase
carries with it a piece of the new definition.
>As I write this I wonder if that includes the decks
>as well; however I seem to remember a specific ruling
>that states that cards in the deck are not considered
>to be in play. Can this be clarified?
Cards in your decks, hand, and Provinces are not in play.
>Especially in light of the new Shadowlands stronghold
>which apparently affects all the relevant cards in
>your deck on a continuing basis. ....
That falls under the category of "sloppy use of the word
'your'".
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>From: Wolfger von Sibenburgen <wolfgervon@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: Re: one last dirty ninja thing...
>
>> ok guys, one last dirty ninja question, as i just
>> got methodically slaugtered by a broken card.
>> hirariko exp..."issue a challange to a personality
>> who's gold cost is greater then thier chi + personal
>> honor" doesn't say once per turn anywhere. horde got
>> killed lots. any ruling on that?
>
>Just like Bakekeno and Obake, the ruling is Once per
>turn. Has been since just after the release of
>Ambition's Debt
Close. Bakeneko and *Hirariko* are once per battle (not
per turn). Obake is correct as printed. He's a mini-Rinjin.
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>From: Gordon Jeffrey <togashigordon@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: [JEFF, ANDY] Strike At Midnight
>
>I'm a fairly new player, and this is my first sanctioned/storyline
>tournament. What is JadeX? Thanks.
It's short for "Extended Jade Storyline Simulation".
From the FAQ:
] Open Format. All cards ever printed are legal (subject, as
] always, to errata and the Most Recent Printing rule). This is
] business as usual.
]
] Jade Storyline Simulation. Decks must be entirely comprised of
] cards and Strongholds which appear in Jade Edition or a Hidden
] Emperor storyline expansion, plus less-experienced versions
] from any set of the Personalities in Jade and HE. (In the case
] of cards reprinted in Jade, you do not have to use the Jade
] version physically, though remember the MRP rule is always in
] effect.) Promo cards with the "jade" kanji are also legal.
]
] Extended Jade Storyline Simulation. This is a hybrid
] format. Personalities, Events, Spells, and Strongholds are
] limited as per the Jade Storyline rules. All other card types
] are unrestricted, as in Open Format.
As of January 1st, the "less-experienced versions" bit will
change to "less- and more-experienced versions" -- in other
words, all other experience levels instead of just earlier ones.
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>From: Stefan Lenfest <slenfest@CONCENTRIC.NET>
>Subject: Re: Rules for 21 December 1999
>
>MitsuMan Monk wrote:
>>
>> >Greetings,
>> >
>> >From: Wolfger von Sibenburgen <wolfgervon@YAHOO.COM>
>> >Subject: Re: Power of the Swords (Zen)
>> >
>> > >> Sorry, that little plus means that the wearer is getting the bonus.
>> > >> Either way, the bonus is coming directly from the sword, not from
>> > >> outside the unit so your idea won't matter however you decide to word
>> > >> it.
>> > >
>> > > Yes the sword does pass on its bonus. But with the wording on In
>> > > Search of the Future, the sword would lose the force bonus _it_ is
>> > > getting, except for a +1 for the person it is attached to.
>> > >
>> > > Well Zen, what do you think?
>> >
>> > The wording on the swords is crystal clear: "*Sword* gains a 1F/1C
>> >bonus...". In Search of the Future negates an Ancestral Sword's *own*
>> >bonus because it is "self-generated," and not from an attached card.
>>
>> But the sword is an attached card....what is considered the source card
>for
>> the attachement? I mean this can hold true if a card gives the sword
>+1/+1
>> for every ninja in play. Does that count as an attached card? Is there
>> anything this card doesnt negate.....
>
>It doesnt negate bonuses that go FROM an attached card TO the card that
>they are attached to. Normal printed item bonuses are retained (as are
>bloodsword bonuses). The sword gives +1C. Followers like Apprentice
>give +1C. Some followers give force to the personality (e.g. kenku
>teacher). Likewise I believe it has been ruled that personalities may
>also be considered attached to the follower so that kamoto will still
>give his follower +2F (for example).
This is *exactly* right.
If card A is attached to card B, then only bonuses which A
gives to B or which B gives to A will remain. Ancestral Swords
give themselves a +X/+X bonus (by card text) which is then, after
adding to the base +0/+1, given to their wielder (by virtue of
being Items). In Search of the Future negates the Sword's +X/+X
bonus to itself, leaving only the +0/+1 to be passed on.
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>From: Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@TEGEL.CO.NZ>
>Subject: Re: Rules for 19-20 December 1999
>
>If this is the case, if Uncertainty is used on Asahina Dorai (xp) wielding
>the Ancetral Sword of the Hantei, could you reduce Dorai's chi to below 1?
>Uncertainty won't allow chi to be reduced to below 1, but the Sword reverses
>effects that change chi and force...
Uncertainty's limit on minimum Chi isn't something that
*changes* Chi, so it won't be flipped to refer to Force.
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