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Subj: rules for Aug 4-6
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
To: l5rinfo@frpg.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:39:22 PDT
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>From: Rich & Noel <dragnskya@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: [l5rusefulinfo] rules for July 27-Aug 1
>
>On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:20:58 -0700 Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
>writes:
>>>From: "Shimaya Naito" <owlmystic@hotmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Makashi
>>> You cannot do this for a very simple reason. The `Shadowlands Horde'
>is
>>>NOT a clan. `Shadowlands' is a trait, yes, and there are ways to give
>>>somewhat that trait, but there isn't an actual CLAN named `Shadowlands
>>>Horde'.
>> Until Honor Bound came out, I would have (and did) disagree
>>with you. Now, not only do I agree, I think I was wrong all along.
>
>>From the Honor Bound Rulebook, p. 38: "Clan Affiliations. Even though
>there are only eigh ttrue Clans - the warlike Crab, the dignified Crane,
>the mystical Dragon, the proud Lion, the rallying Mantis, the magical
>Phoenix, the devious Scorpion, and the just Unicorn - other groups are
>considered Clans for purposes of game play. These include the dedicated
>Brotherhood of Shinsei, the mythical Naga, the evil Shadowlands Horde
>(formerly Yogo Junzo's Army), and the loyal Toturi's Army... The
>Shadowlands Horde Stronghold does not belong to a "Clan" per se... The
>gold cost reductions and Honor bonuses for bringing in members of your
>Clan do not apply if you are a Shadowlands player."
>
>Clearly, Shadowlands Horde *is* a clan for game purposes, but is not a
>"Clan" for purposes of allowing personalities to join for 2 less gold.
>What's the confusion here, Jeff?
The confusion is, why is "Shadowlands Horde" a clan but not
"Sepulcher of Bone"? No other clan has a title that exactly
matches a Stronghold name.
If the rulebook says the Horde is a clan, then it's a clan.
That part's easy. I'm thinking about consistancy down the road.
Fortunately, it's a pretty minor point.
>>>3) You have Kaede Sensei attached. You go over 40 honor and on the
>>>next turn
>>>you get rid of Kaede Sensei (can't remember the card title right now).
>>>You
>>>still can't win by honor on your next turn because why?
>>
>> I would think you *can* win by honor now.
>
>Well, this question is more complex than it looks. If you have not used
>Kaede Sensei during the game, you can still win by honor regardless of
>whether or not it is in play. If you *have* used Kaede Sensei during the
>game, you have permanently renounced your ability to win by honor, and
>even if you remove the sensei, you still may not win by honor. You will
>note that the phrase "You cannot achieve an Honor Victory this game" is
>part and parcel of the *ability* on the sensei, not a trait of the sensei
>itself. That was done deliberately. If you use the sensei, you cannot
>win by honor. Period.
You're right. I'd had this card confused with Shoju Sensei.
Once you use Kaede Sensei's ability, your honor victory option is
gone, gone, gone.
>>>If multiple Arrivals of the Unicorns are played in the same turn,
>>>does the bonus for assigning cavalry during the infantry segment
>>>increase with each one or does it remain a constant 1F bonus
>>>no matter how many copies are played in a turn? My guess is that
>>>the bonus does grow with each copy played, because nothing
>>>indicates that it doesn't.
>>
>> I'd agree it's cumulative, unless someone honestly wants
>>to insist that "a 1F bonus" and "a +1F bonus" are different.
>
>I would dispute your answer to this one as well, but not for the reasons
>you stated.
Simon Withers summed up my reasoning perfectly:
] "gains a 1F bonus." indicates an modification of a value based on the
] previous value.
]
] "have a gold cost of 2." indicates a setting of a value regardless of
] the previous value.
]
] Setting a value to 2 a dozen times will give you 2.
] Granting a bonus of 1 a dozen times will give you x+12 where x is the
] original value.
;;;;;
>From: Zen Faulkes <zfaulkes@planet.net.au>
>Subject: IH#11 Card Focus; Samurai Trilogy
>
>Zen's Card Focus: STORMS OF WAR
>
> "An action" includes Reactions in the resolution phase. Under Storms
>of War, a Void Dragon can never take away your Fate hand unless it
>attacks in tandem with another unit. Storms of War also utterly stops
>Reactions triggered by cards' destruction at the end of the battle. You
>can't a bow a card when it's being destroyed. That means no Final
>Breath, no To the Last Man, no Famous Poet, no Brilliant Victory, and
>(this is particularly tasty) no poetry from Kakita Shijin [or honor
>redirection from The Wind's Truth].
Alllllmost, Zen... Storms of War ends when the battle does.
Like Deadly Ground, it won't prevent Reactions played after the
battle is over. To the Last Man is still legal. So is The Final
Breath, which, by errata, gets played after the battle (to
forestall questions about whether the person it kills still gets
to add his Force prior to resolution).
;;;;;
>From: Jim_Meyer@gccc.com
>Subject: Cumulative Questions
>
>How can I easily determine whether the effects of multiple cards is
>cumulative.
If it uses a + or - sign, or uses a word such as "bonus",
"penalty", "additional", or "further", it's cumulative.
>Examples:
>
>Yoritomo Hogosha
>Mantis Clan Advisor. While Hogosha is in play, Personalities
>you are bringing into play that are not from your clan have
>their gold cost reduced by one if you are a Yoritomo's Alliance
>player.
>
>With 3 Hogoshas in play, do my Oni no Pekkles come in for free?
The key word is "reduced". Yes.
>Fortress of the Dragonfly
>
>All of your human and naga personalities have +1 chi while the
>Fortress of the Dragonfly is in play.
>
>So all my human duelers and/or shugenja could have an additional
>3 chi from 3 Dragonfly? (The ninja must love this!)
Yes.
>Lady Kitsune (PH 5)
>
>Unaligned Foxwife. Creature. While Lady Kitsune is in play, the
>honor requirements of Personalities you bring into play are
>reduced by an amount equal to her Personal Honor. Lady Kitsune
>is destroyed if she becomes dishonored. All human Personalities
>are +1C when in the same army as Lady Kitsune.
>
>Are both of her traits cumulative? With three of her in play
>couId I bring in 0HR personalities with -10 Family Honor?
Yes and yes (-15, even).
;;;;;
>From: Barry Rhodes <rhodesb@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Newbie question - Ring of Air
>
>I tried looking around but must be missing it somewhere. Does the Ring
>of Air require that the three spell or innate abilities be played by the
>same personality?
No.
;;;;;
>From: Michael Cooney <mc@maths.tcd.ie>
>Subject: Bowed items
>
>Newbie Q:
>
>Does bowing an item during a battle mean that it no longer confers the bonus
>to the personality. I think it still does but I am not sure. I checked
>Jeff's Accumulated Rulings and the rulebook but couldn't find an answer.
It's in the archives under "Traits and Bonuses" in the first section.
] Traits are always active, even if a card is bowed. [DW, l5rinfo, 9/12/96]
] This also applies to the stat bonuses provided by all Items, and by
] those Followers that use the "+X" notation.
;;;;;
>From: pAuL <yu129743@YorkU.CA>
>Subject: sorry to ask again
>
>sorry to ask this question again, but i recieved two different answers
>from the listserv. I have looked thru the errata lists, but still no
>luck.:
>
>If Kihos(sp?) are considered spell efects, then can Shiba Kyo (from SCC)
>transfer them the way he can a spell?
>his ability is if he's unbowed at a battle, a sugenjs(major sp?) that's
>not there can cast a spell as if he was.
According to the most recent rulebook, this is legal.
Anything that refers to the effects or casting of spells applies
to kiho as well.
;;;;;
>From: Harold Wong <yellow_pioneer@go.com>
>Subject: Kachiko &night medallion
>
>Which brings a question:
>If my Bayushi Yokuan has 4 +3C tokens on him, and I use force of will or
>Shapeshifting on him, his personal honor is 5 or 17? If it's 5 then he isn't
>dead. If it's 17, then he IS dead.
Force of Will gives you 0C(dead), 17PH. Shapeshifting
specifically switches *printed* stats, and gives you 12C, 5PH.
>How much honor do I stand to gain with Shijin if the above Yokuan DOES die?
Whatever his Personal Honor is after the switch.
;;;;;
>From: Bobby Warren - MCDOTX <BobbyWarren@mail.maricopa.gov>
>Subject: Forest Fire/Blessing Upon the Lands
>
>I have a couple of questions regarding Honor Bound cards.
>
>1. Forest Fire. It says, "Destroy any one Forest card in play to destroy
>all bowed cards in this battle." Does this mean that I can destroy a forest
>belonging to player who is not involved in the battle?
It does. (Note that, by errata, destroying a forest is both
mandatory and required to trigger the second effect.)
>2. Blessing Upon the Lands. It says, "Kiho Open: Bow any one of your monks
>or shugenja. Target a holding. Until the end of the turn, all printed
>numerals on the holding are doubled. This is not cumulative with any other
>doubling effect." If cast on a Master Smith will the Master Smith produce a
>+4/+4 weapon token?
Yes.
;;;;;
>From: AkodoKyono@aol.com
>Subject: Some Rules Questions
>
>1. Does giving a Personality a Tactician bonus target that Personality?
No.
> I
>know that using an ability no longer targets the Personality using it, but
>Tactician is a trait.
You're confused. Selecting which Personality will perform a
built-in ability is not an instance of targetting, but the action
itself may still be. For instance, if Akodo Kage gives himself a
sensei token, he's targetting himself. It depends on whether the
action lets you choose who it will affect. There's no choice
with a tactician bonus.
>2. Is the force from using Tactician considered to come from the Tactician,
>or from the discarded card? e.g. I Tactician with a Personality with
>Kaimetsu-Uo's Ono, does the Ono give its +1 Force bonus?
From the Personality. The card only determines the size of
the bonus. No.
>3. The Wind's Truth can easily give a game-winning honor gain from a
>deliberately lost battle. Shouldn't it have the same restrictions as Master
>of Bushido and experienced Shosuro Taberu?
Maybe. Hindsight is 20/20.
>4. Does Ikoma Ken'o's ability use Ken'o's force, or the force of Ken'o's
>unit?
Just his own personal Force.
>5. Bowed Followers do not contribute toward an army's force total at
>resulotion, but they still contribute force during the Battle Action
>Segment, correct?
Incorrect. You follow the rules for whether bowed cards add
whenever you need to calculate a unit's or army's total Force.
;;;;;
>From: "Pope, John (QLD)" <JPope@arcbs.redcross.org.au>
>Subject: RE: rules for July 27-Aug 1
>
>Following the apparent logic does this mean if you get a "Teeth of the
>Serpent" off before an "Alliance" that you can use the gold reduction for
>personalities with the Shadowlands trait?
Nope. "Shadowlands" is still not a clan alignment.
>Sepulchre of Bone - Your Personalities will not swear fealty.
>
>I assume this will again stop Shadowlands Horde players from using Oaths,
>Agasha Join The Phoenix, and Creating the Monkey Clan but does it stop
>Alliance? There is no restriction on a Sepulchre stronghold using player
>from allying.
It does not stop Alliance.
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