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Subj: rules for July 27-Aug 1
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
To: l5rinfo@frpg.com
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:20:58 PDT
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Well, the ruling archive, MRP/Errata list, and card summary
for Honor Bound is up, as I'm sure some of you have already
noticed, and won't be changing again until after GenCon. I
regret that it took so long, I didn't have time to break out
changes into a separate "What's New" section, as has been
suggested by a few polite readers.
I've also recently discovered that some router between Dave
Williams and myself has begun refusing all mail from EarthLink
(undoubtedly for real or imagined spam-relatated reasons), and he
hasn't gotten anything I've sent him for review since early last
week. Those won't be handled now until we're both back from
Milwaukee. I expect to get one more post out Wednesday night,
then I'm heavin' on a jet plane.
In the meantime: Zen, you know what to do.
;;;;;
>From: "Mark Wootton" <xsp49@dial.pipex.com>
>Subject: Still seeking sensei clarification
>
>Right, next! The clause in the event Yakamo's Funeral that states "or
>Terrains played" Does that refer to playing a terrain card before the
>defenders first action or just playing terrain cards at all?
"Until the beginning of your turn two turns from now, no actions
can be taken or Terrains played before the defender's first
normal Battle/Open action."
Before the first action. I'm not sure how you're
interpreting it the other way.
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>From: Jim_Meyer@gccc.com
>Subject: Shiryo no Yogo
>
>Shiryo no Yogo
>Force: 0, Chi: +1
>RH: 1, Cost: 0, PH: -, Focus 3
>Scorpion Clan Ancestor. Unique. While this card remains in play, all of
>your Ninja cards have their costs reduced by two.
>
>Using the same principle as the "only cavalry followers can attach to
>Kamoko", I assume you cannot attach this ancestor to someone like:
>
>Bayushi Yokuan
>Force: 2, Chi: 5
>RH: -, Cost: 8, PH: 0
>Scorpion Clan Duelist. Ninja. Only Ninja Followers. [...]
>
>Sad paradox... a follower that allows you to reduce the cost of your Ninja
> cards by 2, cannot attach to a Ninja???
You are correct. A "Ninja Followers only" Personality
cannot attach a non-ninja Ancestor.
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>From: Simon Withers <simon@idirect.com>
>Subject: Way of * / Master of Five & Other Questions
>
>I'm pretty sure of this, but lets say that I have Agasha Gennai Exp in
>play, and over the course of a few turns play Way of Earth, Fire, Void and
>Water on him. The Master of Five resolves, and I then bow Gennai to lobby
>for the favor. Regardless of the success of the loby attempt, I will win
>the game, as I've produced a action for each element. (Gennai is already
>Master of Air). Correct ?
Correct.
>It came up in a game yesterday, wondering if Undead and Human are
>exclusive. Can a personality be both ?
Yes.
>His Naka Kuro Exp casts Fist(Fury?) of the Earth, on one of my
>personalities.
>My Isawa Norikasu say no, bowing to cancel the action.
>He has another Fist(Fury?) of the Earth in his hand, can Naka Kuro cast
>it, or does the cancelled one count as his one copy of that Kiho this
>turn ?
It was cancelled, so it doesn't count as having been cast.
Kuro may cast a "second" copy.
>The People's Hero - does it require that the personality move into the
>battle currently being resolved, or can it trigger off of a personality
>superior tacticsing out of the current battle ?
It can move someone into the far battle, too.
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>From: Mark Browne <Mark@kafana.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: rules for July 20
>
>Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net> wrote
>>
>> With Seppun Hotaitaka, the Followers must be attached FROM
>>YOUR HAND.
>
>Does this mean that Levy Troops will still activate the additional
>draws?
No. Levy Troops is not a Follower in your hand. It's an
Action that creates Followers.
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>From: Oni no Kage <shiryo_no_orochi@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Old question, but an important one...
>
>Okay. I have a Mystic Ground in play with 3 defenders.
>
>My opponent attacks, scouting a Deadly Ground.
>I can't get rid of it, so he destroys my province.
>
>Are the following possible?
>
>a) I play Wind's Truth to get 6 honor.
No. Honor is gained during resolution, and Deadly Ground is
still in effect.
>b) I use the reaction on Mystic Ground to save the province.
No. The Province is being destroyed during resolution too.
>c) He plays Rallying Cry.
Yes. Rallying Cry is played after the battle, by card text.
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>From: "Frederick A. Cruz" <frac@mudspring.uplb.edu.ph>
>Subject: Re: Iaijutsu Art Duels and other questions ...
>
>1. Could you play Iaijutsu Art on TWO of your Personalities? Assume Reju
> vs. Reju for a silly eight (8) Honor :)
You can NEVER, EVER, EVER issue a challenge or, in any other way,
end up with a duel between two of your own Personalities.
>2. What actions are redirected by Shinjo Technique? Does it include Kolat
> Assassin, Kolat Master, and To Do What We Must?
Anything that the person playing it could have played on one of
his own Personalities. "Yes" to K.Assassin, "no" to K.Master (it says
"another player's Personality"), and "no" to TDWWM because the second
unit must oppose his first unit. In fact, Shinjo Technique can't
redirect ANY action that targets an "opposing" card.
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>From: "Brett Michalson" <l5rrec@hotmail.com>
>Subject: BYE for Tacticians?
>
>Can you use the 6 focus of BYE with tactician? I have heard that you can,
>but looking at the card it says for duels or personalities abilities.
>Tactician is obviously not a duel, and I always thought that to count for an
>ability it had to have Battle:, or Open: etc, in front of it. I know that
>Tactician is a trait, but is it an ability also? If somebody could clarify
>this for me I would be grateful.
"Tactician" itself is not an ability, but it allows the
Personality to perform one, and Burning Your Essence has been ruled
to work with any ability which a Personality performs.
;;;;;
>From: Jimmy Repine <jrepine@inetnow.net>
>Subject: question on RoV
>
> Question, I keep telling people no, but they want me to ask
>anyway. If I have a ring of void and 2 others cards in my hand and
>2 merchant caravans, can you 'pay' for the ring of void into play
>tossing the 2 cards to the MC and play the ring. I told them no.
>
>well?
You were right. You can't start paying for a card until it's
legal to actually play it.
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>From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
>Subject: rules for July 25-26
>
> Anyone who works for the company, really, though they tend
>to stick to their areas of expertise -- tournament rules, the
>story, stuff like that -- and leave the rules questions to
>others. That would be Ed Bohlme, Luke Peterschmidt, Mindy
>Sherwood-Lewis, and Ree Soesbee.
Sorry, sorry, sorry! I made a mental note to double-check those
spellings before I fired this off, but when you pull as many late-
nighters as I do, things just kinda slip sometimes. Maybe I should
consider becoming the Phoenix Clan Butcher? :(
;;;;;
>Subject: Keeping it short
>
> Even more shocking is that few MtG players care who
>Gerrard is.
Wasn't he the Closed Fist of the Senpet?
>What is your goal in MtG? To kill your opponent. Why? Because you want to
>win. Win what? Uh... something cool.
"To see your enemy driven before you, and hear the
lamentations of his women."
>In L5R you are a trying to take the emerald throne. You use important heroes
>that you grow to love. You become loyal to a clan in part because of what
>that clan stands for. What does "Green" Stand for?
Magic. Magic is green.
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>From: "Jean-Marc PIERRE" <jmpierre@magic.fr>
>Subject: 2 Rings of the Void in play.
>
>I've closely read the House of Tao and had an idea:
>
>The House of Tao:
>You begin the game with one elemental ring in play, chosen after your
>opponent's strongholds have been revealed. If you put a Shadowlands card
>into play, all of your elemental rings are discarded from play.
>
>Since you "begin with one elemental ring in play", that ring is'nt in your
>Fate deck, right ? You don't retrieve it in any way.
By ruling, you do. It comes from your deck, which has to be
legal to begin with.
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>From: "James Collier" <smalltownpress@aztec-net.com>
>Subject: Re: Another Silly Newbie Question
>
>> Well I have finally started to sort out my L5R basic set to see what I
>> have. In doing so I came across a question, which to me seems simple
>> but I'm not sure, so I'll ask.
>>
>> All the Rings are they Uniquee for deck building purposes?? I mean can
>> I put 3 Rings of Air into my deck, not that I would want to.
>>
> Say yes, Jeff! Yes, yes, yes! Yes!!!
This has been in the rulebook since Day 1, folks. No more
than 1 of any Ring, Event, or Unique card. Sheesh.
;;;;;
>From: Mirumoto Kojiro <Budd@arcom.com.au>
>Subject: Phoenix Stronghold and Hitomi's ability
>
>(Q1) Does a Shugenja that aligns himself to Phoenix at the start of the
>game (via the new Stronghold) lose his previous alignment?
No.
>(Q2) As we all know, Hitomi has a unique talent to enlighten people and
>bring them over to her cause (Here we go, drooling over the bald guy......
>Yasuki Bud) in a manner resembling a duel. Question is, will personalities
>with "WILL ONLY JOIN CLAN X" or as Agasha Gennai Exp. "WILL NOT JOIN
>DRAGON" come under your control if beaten in a duel. Does it count as
>joining?
It counts as joining. There are some people she just can't
convert.
> Does this mean I can Tattoo Yakamo as long as Yokuni is in play?
Doing it over and over is stalling, and you'd lose.
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>From: Harold Wong <yellow_pioneer@go.com>
>Subject: questions
>
>Ninja Shapeshifter & night medallion:
>if the shapeshifter copies Kachiko, are these -3c tokens that will be
>produced?
Night Medallion doesn't affect any abilities that the person
it's on copies from others. If it's on the NSS and the NSS
copies Kachiko, he'll still give -1C tokens.
If Kachiko has the Medallion herself, she makes +1C tokens,
as would any NSS who copies her.
>I forget the wording of Agasha join the Phoenix but do dead and discarded
>personalities of the named family also join you?
By the rewording errata, no. Only those "in your deck and
Provinces".
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>From: Chad Salo <chad@mcst.gsfc.nasa.gov>
>Subject: A Few Questions
>
>1) I haven't seen the actual card, but the question comes from the
>spoiler on Andy's page. Does Isawa Norikazu Exp. 2 get rid of cards
>that are in a players provinces? They are not in play, but are they
>still "in the deck"? What about fate cards under Kyuden Hitomi?
Neither cards in Province nor under Kyuden Hitomi are in
a deck.
>2) Ok, let's say I am playing the new Shiba Phoenix stronghold. Has it
>been determined if the human shugenja followers in my fate deck become
>aligned to my clan?
They do.
>If so, do they gain the bonus from Oni no Tadaka?
Yes.
>3) Can a Jade Arrow be used with a Poisoned Dartgun? In this case, it
>is the Dartgun doing the ranged attack, not the personality.
No, for that reason.
>4) Can you use concealed archers with Yotsu Seou? She does not bow for
>her ranged attack and CA say 'before you bow'.
Erk. I'll say "yes" but wait for Dave's input after GenCon.
;;;;;
>From: Damien A Wellman <damienw@juno.com>
>Subject: Beginner's Query
>
> Anyway, it's time for my traditional Stupid Newbie Question:
>Let us suppose I've got the basic Isawa Tsuke in play. Is
>playing the Second or Third Shout (or any other card with
>a restriction as to when it can be used as a focus) be used
>with Tsuke's ability?
>
> My instinct is "no, the card counts as a focus and you
>can't play the Shouts unless the personality has performed
>the prequisite Shouts", but it occurred to me that you aren't
>*actually* focusing with them - they just happen to count as
>a focus.
>
> So, anyone care to help the newbie out? :P
Go with your instinct, young shugenja. He can't focus them.
;;;;;
>From: "Mark Spangler" <fringegames@uswest.net>
>Subject: 2 questions
>
>Q: Takuan exp1
>Can you use his ability to move himself to a battle from his feif?
No. He says "this battle", which implies he must be in it
himself.
>Q: Mystic Ground
>Pearl Rulebook: pg32 ""You must bring the region into play if you can;"
>If I have a shugenja in play and unbowed, I MUST bring it in by bowing a
>shugenja even if I don't want to? It forces it bowed?
If a Region has a cost, you may still choose not to pay it.
;;;;;
>From: "Bayushi Elvis" <bayelvis@idirect.ca>
>Subject: Re: The Horde & Death of the Ki-Rin (official help please)
>
>Actually, the Horde/Junzo box does not say that you cannot win through
>Honor. It does say however, "You cannot gain or lose Honor." I've always
>understood that the Horde box doesn't say they cannot win by Honor because
>there is already too much text on the box and the gain/lose clause means
>that there is no possible way to win by Honor.
>
>Since the Sepulcher cannot ever have Honor over zero, I would assume that
>the "can't win by Honor" clause was left off to save space as well. Honor
>never greater than 0 = No Honor victory. (IMO)
Correct.
The Sepulcher of Bone officially cannot achieve an Honor Victory.
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>From: "Shimaya Naito" <owlmystic@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Makashi
>
> You cannot do this for a very simple reason. The `Shadowlands Horde' is
>NOT a clan. `Shadowlands' is a trait, yes, and there are ways to give
>somewhat that trait, but there isn't an actual CLAN named `Shadowlands
>Horde'.
Until Honor Bound came out, I would have (and did) disagree
with you. Now, not only do I agree, I think I was wrong all along.
;;;;;
>From: Takezo1385@aol.com
>Subject: Winds Question[Jeff, Dave]
>
>Okay here's my two bits,
>
>I am playing against a pheniox deck 1on1 he attampts to use winds truth.
>I cancel the action with imperial edicts, now since the reaction states as
>the kiho hits the discard he can immediatly draw it back, playing it yet
>again, on the same honor gain/loss.
>
>Is this legal? My answer was no; as at the time the stronghold reaction
>happens the honor gain/loss transpires.
Your answer is almost right, and for the wrong reason.
Imperial Edicts cancels the kiho. Thus it is not considered
"used", and the Eternal Halls's reaction cannot be used in the
first place. If he wants to retrieve it he'll have to do so
some other way.
>Now second part, my advisary plays winds truth made into a Kiho ability by
>Isawa's Blessing, now in response I use one life one action he cannot use
>that kiho cards again but what about the new innate ability?
Legal. It's not playing a copy of the card.
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>From: Hideyori@aol.com
>Subject: A couple of Q's.....
>
>1) Phoenix vs. Monk. Both have personalities in play. Phoenix flips up
>Blessings of Isawa.. Then proceeds to bring a character into play for
>honor.
> Who gets first reaction with The Winds truth? I say Monk since the phoenix
>action is gaining the honor the Monk would get first reaction.
Bringing a Personality into play is not an action. The
first reaction goes to the active player.
>2) Ring of Air cannot redirect The Winds Truth? but you can TWT a TWT?
>confusing....
Ring of Air *can* redirect The Wind's Truth, but only to
another player who The Wind's Truth could have targetted in the
first place. In a two-player game, that's no one.
>3) You have Kaede Sensei attached. You go over 40 honor and on the next
>turn
>you get rid of Kaede Sensei (can't remember the card title right now). You
>still can't win by honor on your next turn because why?
I would think you *can* win by honor now.
;;;;;
>From: "dustin howard" <whowhoamamii@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Question: Arrival of the Unicorns
>
>If multiple Arrivals of the Unicorns are played in the same turn,
>does the bonus for assigning cavalry during the infantry segment
>increase with each one or does it remain a constant 1F bonus
>no matter how many copies are played in a turn? My guess is that
>the bonus does grow with each copy played, because nothing
>indicates that it doesn't.
I'd agree it's cumulative, unless someone honestly wants
to insist that "a 1F bonus" and "a +1F bonus" are different.
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