(Message jeffa:273)
Subj: rules for July 20
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
To: l5rinfo@frpg.com
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:06:00 PDT
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>From: Ian McGuigan <IMCGUIGA@mobius.com>
>Subject: RE: Seppun Hotaitaka and token followers (aieeee!)
>
>Let the screaming begin. Yes, Levy Troops, Refugees, and Farmlands all
>activate our good friend Hotaitaka.
- = HEADLINE NEWS = -
With Seppun Hotaitaka, the Followers must be attached FROM
YOUR HAND.
I've been on the phone with Dave about this and he agrees
this needs to be added to the errata along with delaying the
extra draws until the End Phase.
;;;;;
>From: Ian McGuigan <IMCGUIGA@mobius.com>
>Subject: RE: Void Strike (ruling, Jeff)
>
>> On Void Strike, you "draw a card. That card's focus value is added" for
>> the duel "but it is not considered a focus card."
>>
>> Is this card discarded, or added to the player's hand?
>>
>This is the same as Yoshi. It's discarded at the end of the duel along with
>the cards that were focused.
Actually, it's discarded immediately.
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>From: "Sean P Mountcastle" <smountca@osf1.gmu.edu>
>Subject: Questions
>
> I have two questions: First if I'm playing the Brotheerhood
>and I bring out a Monk personality can I opt to pay the reduced gold
>cost or pay the full cost and gain that personality's honor?
Yes. "Monk" is your clan alignment.
> My second question is what is Otaku
>Palace? I assume it's a stronghold, but for whom? And where can I
>find this starter deck
Unicorn. It was in Hidden Emperor month #4.
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>From: Simon Withers <simon@idirect.com>
>Subject: A Few Good Questions.
>
>OK - "I WANT THE TRUTH" ;-)
>
>Soshi Jujun
>Reaction: Bow Jujin when an action is about to end a Battle Action
>Segment. Cancel the action.
>Battle: Bow Jujin. Destroy a Terrain in this battle that prevents you
>from playing actions.
>
>Can Jujun stop the 12th black scroll from taking effect ?
Yes. It cancels everything but its own destruction and the
discarding of three cards -- those were costs and don't get
refunded.
>Tribute to Your House
>It mentions that the effect of TtYH is not an honor loss. What is not
>mentioned is if the effects of TtYH wearing off is an honor gain.
>
>I assume no, but the card does not say.
Correct. It's not a gain.
>Shoju Sensei
>
>Dave Williams ruled that the personality targetted by SS cannot be
>protected by Isawa's Helm. To me this seems incorrect, as SS says that
>card effects that prevent targetting don't prevent the personality from
>being targetted, but it doesn't say anything about cancelling actions that
>target the personality.
That may have been the card's intent, but that's not what it
says. I disagree with him on this.
>What about The Shadowlands Horde. Do they lose the game as soon as it
>starts if they start the game with Shoju Sensei ( -21 family honor )
No. It stays at -19 for reasons which have yet to be
formally determined.
>Toshimoko Sensei
>
>I have Toshimoko Sensei in play, and my Samurai Bend's Like the Reed.
>
>Does my Samurai get 2 or 3 chi ?
2. BLaR is worded funny.
;;;;;
>From: John Fiala <jcfiala@CSSLTD.com>
>Subject: RE: rules for July 1-10
>
>Some people on this list seem to not know what Targetting is. Here it is,
>from the Pearl rulebook:
>
>Targeting and Redirection
> An action is targeting something if it uses the term "target" or if
>you sometimes have to choose an entity on which to use it before it can take
>effect. If you never, under any circumstances, have to choose what gets
>affected, then the action does not "target" anything.
> You cannot target one of your bowed Personalities unless a card
>instructs you to choose a bowed Personality.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Collier [mailto:smalltownpress@aztec-net.com]
>> You send your personalities home one by one. Each is
>> targetted in turn.
>
> Wrong. Targetting isn't when you send personalities home - it's if
>you "sometimes have to choose an entitiy on which to use it before it can
>take effect". You don't target the units affected by ASD - EVERY unit will
>be affected by it, all the time. You only get to choose which effect takes
>hold.
> If ASD _were_ a targeting card, then your bowed personalities at the
>battle would neither go home nor lose 2 chi and become dishonored.
>
> Or, to put it in plain language: ASD does not give you a choose as
>to who is affected by the action. _EVERY_ unit is affected by it.
>Therefore, since the card does not contain the word 'targetted', ASD does
>not target, and Test of Courage cannot be used. QED.
The thing is, the decision of which units stay and which
don't can be viewed as targetting, and past precedent says that
targetting while resolving a terrain counts as targetting with an
action (Encircled Terrain vs. bowed people/Kaagi's Journal). But
ASD's can also be viewed as a decision each unit makes on its
own, separately. It's a *really* esoteric distinction.
;;;;;
>From: "Andrew Buhagiar" <werd@netrover.com>
>Subject: Re: Rules Questions
>
>> 1) Can I use the Trading Port to trade (destroy) a 3 gold Otaku Meadows
>> follower to retrieve an Ancestor from my fate deck?
>
>The tricky part of this question is the cost of the Meadows token. A broad
>defination of cost would be anything that has to be paid/bowed/destroyed to
>preform an anction/bring soemthing into play. By this definition, the
>meadows token has a cost of 3 gold. On the other hand, cost could defined
>much more narrowly as the number printed in the appropriate place in the
>card. This would mean that follower tokens would have no cost (or a cost of
>zero), but the action to put them in play would have a cost.
>
>I think this needs an official ruling, as it could go either way.
It's what's on the card, which is "0" by the Unprinted
Number rule.
>>3) Can I "recycle one Kiho" with the Eternal Halls of the Shiba, even if
>>the stronghold is bowed?
No. Strongholds don't work while bowed unless they say so.
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>From: "Ray Daugherty" <raynalb@nycap.rr.com>
>Subject: Contested Holding & Another Time
>
>Question: If I play Contested Holding, and the duel is called off due to
>Another Time, do I still get the holding? At first I would have said no,
>but the "Otherwise" clause seems to indicate I would, since I didn't lose
>the duel.
It's an "otherwise". You get the Holding.
;;;;;
>From: Ken Nabbe <nabbe@mpinet.net>
>Subject: Re: Makashi and Kihos - the continuing saga
>
>>Shouldn't this come under the same reasoning as Oath of Fealty?
>>Oathing personalities whilst playing monk doesn't turn everyone into
>>a bunch of kiho-slinging monks. They Oath to the Brotherhood of
>>Shinsei.
>
> Actually it does, and oathing a bunch of Naga make them non-Naga
>(Unless
>they have Naga in their title i.e. Naga Warlord). If you have a bunch of
>'Monks' in a Crane deck, and Oath them, because they loose all previous
>clan alignments, they will not be able to throw kihos as 'Monks' (Unless
>they are the Laughing Monk).
As of the Dark Journey Home rulebook, the "Monk", "Naga",
and "Ninja" traits are special and are not lost when swearing
fealty.
;;;;;
>From: "Scott Schultz" <scott@ceweekly.com>
>To: <l5rinfo@frpg.com>
>Subject: RE: master of five questions...
>
>>first...if you bow, say, hosigeru, to cast any kiho, is it considered to be
>>an action produced by a water card?
>If he has the word "water" in his traits and you use an innate ability
>that says "elemental" then the answer should be yes. Keep in mind that
>all of the actions have to come during the same phase, not just the
>same turn. You can't win by doing four limited elemental actions during
>the action phase and then have Hosigeru self-destruct in a battle.
That's not true. When Hosigeru casts a kiho, there are two
cards involved: Hosigeru and the kiho. Only the traits on the
kiho determine the traits of the action. Now, if Hosigeru were
to use his innate ability or lobby for the Favor, *that* action
would carry with it Hosigeru's own traits.
;;;;;
>From: WildStar74@aol.com
>Subject: Re: master of five questions...
>
> Ah, questions i've been meaning to ask but didn't get around to.
>
>And a few more questions:
>
>What if [Hosigeru] lobbies for the favor?
Use his traits.
>Or uses a ranged attack (like Jade Bow)?
Use the ranged attack card's traits.
>Or casts a spell?
Use the spell's traits.
;;;;;
>From: Ted Renner <tvrenner@students.wisc.edu>
>Subject: [Jeff] Rules Question re: Pressure
>
>Hey Jeff, here's a quick question about the new HB common action Pressure:
>how exactly does this card interact with Facing Your Devils? Does the
>refusing player simply take back the cards that they discard from their
>discarded Fate pile? The card's texts follow...
>
>Pressure (C)
>0G 3Fo
>Political Reaction: Bow your stronghold when a personality refuses a
>duel. The personality reconsiders and accepts the duel. All refusal
>penalties are negated.
>
>Facing Your Devils (C)
>0G 1Fo
>Kiho Open: Bow a shugenja or monk you control to have him or her issue
>a challenge to any Personality in play. The challenged Personality may
>refuse by discarding cards from his hand with a combined focus value
>greater than the Chi of your Personality.
She'd get the cards back.
;;;;;
>From: "Isawa Hisuke" <BNTHOMPSON@HOME>
>Subject: Re: Rules Question....
>
>> Ken Nabbe wrote:
>> Well Joel and I were playing on Sunday, his cheese Phoenix deck
>> against
>> his own Cheese Ninja Deck... Something came up. I choosen the Fire
>Seeker
>> to be the target of Shoju Sensei, and Joel decided that Kuro needed to
>> 'Ambush' him. I had three Ninube Ogoku in play, herein lies the
>> question....
>>
>> Ninube Ogoku reads...
>> "Ogoku can join any army, including an army attacking your Provinces,
>> regardless of whether you have been invited in that battle. You never gain
>> Honor when Ogoku joins an army."
>>
>> Does her ability trump Ambush, and allow her to join either side?
>
>Ambush prevents anyone from coming into or moving into the battle... period,
>you can't get in except by "switching" the personalities.
...with an effect that's not considered "moving". There's
ONE card like that: Way of Deception. Switching is normally
treated as two movements, one in, one out. No other switching
effect currently in print is legal during Ambush.
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