(Message jeffa:271)
Subj: rules for July 18
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:26:35 PDT
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>From: Simon Withers <simon@idirect.com>
>Subject: Re: rules for July 1-10
>
>> > Street to Street: Battle Terrain-This terrain takes effect as soon
>> > as it is played. All Followers at this battle are considered
>> > unattached. After the end os this battle action phase, or when this
>> > terrain is destroyed, each player's remaining Followers may be
>> > attached to any of that player's surviving Personalities in this
>> > battle. Followers unable to legally attach in this fashion are
>> > destroyed.
>> >
>> > Now, I have been told different versions of what this card does. I
>> > basically understand it all, but I am not sure if the followers still
>> > provide force. It doesn't specifically say that they provide force
>> > in the battle, and followers provide force to a unit, but since a
>> > personality isn't attached to the follower, it is not a unit. The
>> > card does not say that the follower is its own unit, but it could be
>> > implied. Does anyone have an official ruling or errata on it?
>>
>>      Followers do not contribute to army strength while not in units.
>
>So, if your attacking army consits of Toku (0F) with a Heavy Infantry
>(5F), and my defending army, of Kuni Yori (2F), now I play Street to
>Street, and we both pass.  Do I win the battle ?

     No, since the Followers re-attach "after the end of this
battle action phase" (actually, that should be "segment"), which
is before resolution.

;;;;;

>From: "BRENDON G." <gunum@QNET.COM>
>Subject: Multiplayer honor victory question
>
>I have a quick question. I was playing a multiplayer game with 2 friends
>yesterday and an intresting event happened.
>I ended my turn with 40+ honor. My friend went and attacked me, asked for
>allies and got them. after the battle everyone was over 40 honor and my
>other friends turn began. Who wins in this situation?

     The player whose turn just began.

>                             The rules state if you start your turn with
>40 or more honor you win, but that seems kinda lame when one player has
>(for example) 50+ honor and I have 41 honor and win because its my turn.

     Hey.  Timing is everything.

;;;;;

>From: Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@tegel.co.nz>
>Subject: Re: rules for July 1-10
>
>>From: Gaijin Monk <gaijin.monk@juno.com>
>>Subject: Re: Honor Bound Discussion
>>
>>NOW, AN IMPORTANT QUESTION ON THIS...
>>
>>Since [Awakening Shakoki Dogu] is a Terrain card and, therefore, an action
>>card, can A Test of Courage be used?
>
>     By past precedent:  yes.  The whole terrain would be cancelled,
>as per ToC's text.
>
>;;;;;
>[DM] Awakening Shakoki Dogu was corrected to read that you may send
>Personalities home from the battle and all remaining units recieve -2 Chi.
>If this is the case, I thought that A Test of Courage could not be used when
>an action only sends a Personality or Personalities home if it was a choice
>of the controller of the Personality. Therefore AToC cannot be used to
>cancel ASD.
>
>Is this correct?

     No.  It's Flee the Darkness that can only be used when it's
another player targetting your guys.  A Test of Courage doesn't
care who's targetting.

;;;;;

>From: Thomas Heath <kumahachimitsu@usa.net>
>Subject: Re: [Makashi and Kihos]
>
>I'm sorry but you are wrong.  It is the TRAIT of Monk and
>Shugenja that allows them to perform kiho actions.  Makashi does
>not gain the monk trait, he is affected by cards that are monk
>only: like Musubi, a Bo Stick, Robes of the Shinsei, Shinsei's
>fan and the like.

     All actions targetting Makashi behave in all ways as though
he were aligned with every clan.  "Monk" is the official clan
alignment trait of the Brotherhood of Shinsei and House of Tao
strongholds.  Ergo, Makashi can cast kiho as a monk.

;;;;;

>From: "Daniel C" <fusion@pop.primus.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Makashi and Kihos
>
>> Brian Kallenbach wrote
>> In the Pearl and Honor Bound rulebook, it states that kihos are actions
>> that produce spell effects. That's pretty cut and dry.
>>
>> Makashi states that he is "affected by actions as though he were a member
>> of every clan," thus, including Monk as one of the clans.
>>
>> From there, the question is, can Makashi throw kihos as though he were a
>> Monk? Almost everyone I've talked to has said yes, he can, citing this
>> logic.
>
>Shouldn't this come under the same reasoning as Oath of Fealty?
>Oathing personalities whilst playing monk doesn't turn everyone into
>a bunch of kiho-slinging monks.  They Oath to the Brotherhood of
>Shinsei.

     No.  They swear fealty to "Monk".

;;;;;

>From: Dean McNabb - Tegel <DeanM@tegel.co.nz>
>Subject: RE: Speak with the Voices of the Dead
>
>Ian McGuigan wrote:
>> From:         Dean McNabb - Tegel[SMTP:DeanM@tegel.co.nz]
>> Sent:         Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:31 PM
>> To:   'l5rinfo'
>> Subject:      Speak with the Voices of the Dead
>>
>> Here's a situation that came up a while ago regarding this Kiho.
>>
>> Speak with the Voices of the Dead (R)
>        << snip info no giving Shiba Tetsu same ability twice >>
>
>> Afterwards I was told that I couldn't give my Personality the same ability
>> (so he would have two abilities that did the same thing). But I didn't see
>> anything wrong with this.
>>
>> So what is the ruling on giving a Personality the same ability that the
>> Personality already posesses (can it be done) using this Kiho?
>>
>It's legal to use the Kiho to give him the ability twice. You just can't use
>it twice. From the Accumulated Rulings under Traits and Bonuses:
>
>A card either has a trait or it doesn't. You cannot have a card with the
>same trait multiple times. An effect which would give an existing trait to a
>card is still legal, though. Just ignore the extra instance. [summary of
>other rulings]
>This ruling does not apply to abilities.
>
>[DM] Excuse my confusion but why can you not use it (twice). The Personality
>has two abilities (although each is the same - the second from the Kiho) and
>the above from the Acumulated Rulings under Traits and Bonuses keeps
>refering to Taits and then specifically says that the ruling does not apply
>to abilities.
>
>The Kiho gives an Ability to the Personality (not a Trait) and so doesn't
>seem to be covered by this particular Ruling.
>
>Thanks for the answer, but it doesn't seem to be helpful unless there is
>something I am not picking up.

     Dean is right.  Abilities CAN be possessed multiple times.

;;;;;

>From: Ken Nabbe <nabbe@mpinet.net>
>Subject: Rules Question....
>
>Ninube Ogoku reads...
>"Ogoku can join any army, including an army attacking your Provinces,
>regardless of whether you have been invited in that battle. You never gain
>Honor when Ogoku joins an army."
>
>Does her ability trump Ambush, and allow her to join either side?

     I've already answered this privately, but...

     No.  Ambush's restriction takes priority.  Ogoku can only
assign where an ally could, conceivably, join.

;;;;;

>From: Bruce Lee <bruce@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi>
>Subject: Re: rules for July 1-10
>
>> >Just a general question here: does any card that says 'play instead of
>> >focusing' (i.e. Strike of Flowing water, Moving the Shadow, etc.) have to
>be
>> >done face up?  Some don't say it, but I seem to remember something about
>> >that being ruled before.
>>
>>      You're not playing it as a focus, and only focusses get played
>> face-down.  Ergo...
>
>So stuff that is played as an additional focus (Oracle of Fire etc.) gets
>played face down? Do I get to see the card between drawing it and placing
>it face down?

     Yes and yes (unless it says otherwise, like Ryokan's Sword).

;;;;;

>From: Kirbdog53@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Card question
>
>1)My opponent bows for the favor. I bow a personality to oppose his lobbying
>attempt. A tie ensues, and the favor remains uncontrolled. Can he play
>political mistake on me? What if he wins the attempt?
>2) I bow for the favor. My opponent contests. I bow another personality to
>add his honor. I lose, or tie the lobbying attempt. It is clear to me that he
>can play Political Mistake on the first personality. Can he play it on the
>second personality I bowed?

     Only the Personality bowing to start the lobbying process is
performing an action.  Only he can be targetted with Political Mistake.

;;;;;

>From: "Joe Fulgham" <puck@holycow.com>
>Subject: RE: Norikazu x2 (potentially broken combo)
>
>> Take Isawa Norikazu experienced 2, and combo with an Egg of Pan'ku, three
>> ninja shapeshifters, and three of the new actress.  Proceed to eliminate
>> your opponent's deck several cards at a time.  The accumulated
>> rulings would
>> appear to support that it works, since the shapeshifters would forget that
>> the opponent had been targeted, but we ruled that the game remembers that
>> the player has been targeted, and so it doesn't work.
>>
>> Isawa Norikazu (R)
>> Pheonix Clan Seer.  Shugenja.  Experienced 2.  Unique.  Limited:
>> [...] A
>> player cannot be targeted with this effect more than once per game.
>
>  You're correct - "This effect" isn't the same as "this action".  The
>effect can only target each player once per game, no matter if it's from
>Norikazu, and Egg of him, or some other way of copying the ability.

     Precisely correct.


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