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Subj: rules for July 11-14
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
To: l5rinfo@frpg.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:18:56 PDT
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>From: "Mark Wootton" <xsp49@dial.pipex.com>
>Subject: Answers to Honour Bound Questions
>
>Simon Withers <simon@idirect.com> writes
>
>The new shadowlands stronghold starts a 0 honour, not -19, and so can
>happily use Shoju Sensei.
>*****************************************************
>[MW}
>Does Sepulchre of Bone = Shadowlands? Is shadowlands now a clan
>affiliation? I assumed it was only the Shadowlands Horde. I may have missed
>this amongst the mixed up digest situation over the lat few days
The Sepulchre of Bone is another "Shadowlands Clan" Stronghold.
Any Sensei the Horde can use, it can use too.
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>From: "Mark Wootton" <xsp49@dial.pipex.com>
>Subject: HB Questions
>
>Tribute to your house. What is with "considered to have family honour
>of..."? Honour gains and losses affect "true family honour"?
Anytime anything -- lobbying, winning, Dashmar, bringing
Personalities into play...anything -- checks for his Family
Honor, it'll see his starting honor instead. As soon as the
effect wears off, start using his real honor total again,
including all the changes that have happened to it in the interim.
I'd say this won't override gifts or petitioning during a
Lobbying attempt. Those are a universal exception to "cannot
gain honor" effects.
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>From: "Robert Calder" <rcalder@elp.rr.com>
>Subject: Wind's Truth Question. Help.
>
>Can anyone give a semi-official ruling on this question?
Will you settle for fully-official?
>Does The Wind's Truth care about the source of an honor gain
>or loss? Another way to phrase my question is this: do
>restrictions already applied to an honor gain/loss when
>the original player is gaining or losing the honor apply
>a _second_ time when the honor is redirected via The Wind's
>Truth? (My guess is no; a specific example follows.)
You are correct. The amount isn't recalculated.
>Player A has lost 9 honor below his starting honor. Player
>B is at his starting honor.
>
>Player A plays Lies, Lies, Lies. The card checks for it's
>restriction, and then awards Player A 8 honor.
>
>Player B plays The Wind's Truth, and redirects the honor gain.
>Now, since this Kiho is played _when_ honor is being gained or
>lost, and not _before_ honor is being gained or lost, it looks
>like Player B gains the honor that Player A was gaining, since
>Lies, Lies, Lies already checked for it's restriction. In other
>words, Player B gains 8 honor instead of player B.
>
>Help! Is this how this really works? (Card text below.)
Yes.
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>From: Khellendro@aol.com
>Subject: the agasha Libraries
>
>I want this to be clarified, Can The Agasha Libraries cancel Hitomi's
>duel,
>the duel that takes over the other personality if they lose, i think it is
>Hitomi's exp 3 but not sure? My friend and I are debating over it. I saw
>since see is tattooed i should be able to cancel the duel. But he says
>other wise. Who is right?
You are clearly correct. I'm not sure why your friend
thinks otherwise.
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>From: Khellendro@aol.com
>Subject: Master of Destiny
>
>Master of Destiny
>Kiho Reaction: When an Event is revealed, bow a Monk or Shugenja you control.
>The event is not resloved and is put face-up in your own rightmost Province,
>replacing the Dynasty card there. If you do not have a Dynasty card in your
>rightmost Province, or when the Event is discarded normally, put the Event in
>its original owner's discard pile.
>
>What does this do? Does the event becomes yours to use?
Yep. It will resolve during your Events Phase if it's still
there.
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>From: "Nicholas Jones" <veers69@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Some simple Rules Q's
>
>We were playing a few games and ran into a couple of rules questions and I
>figured that it would be best to get some official type word before
>GenCon...
>
>1) Rise from the Ashes and Breach of Etiquette
>
> Can someone use the favor to cancel a Breach that is played through a Rise
>from the Ashes effect. I guess the real question is does the favor prevent
>the honor loss from the Breach or just a five point honor loss in general.
>If the breach is what it targeted because it creates the honor loss then I
>would say no because you can't target other peoples cards during that time.
>But if the breach is played and then the honor becomes seperated from the
>breach then the honor can be targeted. Someone please shed some light on
>this.
The Favor cancels the loss. It does not cancel or target
the card causing it. It can be used under Rise from the Ashes.
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>From: Jim_Meyer@gccc.com
>Subject: Phoenix Stronghold
>
>Isawa Kazuji
>
><The 7 starting family honor is nice, but I would have
>liked more Province Strength. And the ability to recycle kihos is nice as
>well, but only can be used once per turn and only if the SH is unbowed.
>Overall its only "so-so".>
>
>My Enternal Halls of Shiba states:
>
>Reaction: Immediately after you put a Kiho in your discard pile
>after its use, put the Kiho back into your hand, then discard
>one card from your hand. You cannot use this ability twice with
>the same Kiho or twice on the same turn. (Has then been erratted?)
What's your question, exactly? Are you doubting the claim
it can't be used while bowed? Kazuki is right. Strongholds,
like cards, are normally unusable while bowed.
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>From: Sphynx@aol.com
>Subject: HB Questions...and others too...
>
>1) If "Mountains of the Phoenix" is in play and there are no defenders at
>terrain resolution, does it resolve?
>Mountains of the Phoenix
>Battle Terrain: The attacker and defender each target one unit in their army.
>The target units are destroyed.
Sure. Also if there are no attackers.
>2) Is a canceled action considered to have resolved?
>One Life, One Action
>Reaction: Play this card immediately after another player resolves an action
>card from his or her hand. The player cannot play any copy of that action for
>the rest of the game, but the player can still use it for its focus value.
No.
>3) If I produce an action from a card and it's then canceled, have I still
>met the requirements of The Master of Five?
>The Master of Five
>If any player controls an Oracle of each of the five elements when this Event
>resolves, the player wins the game. Until the end of the game, any player who
>produces an action from Earth, Air (or Wind), Fire, Water, and Void cards in
>the same phase wins the game at the beginning of his or her next turn.
No.
>4) When does Kitsu check for Chi...after coming out or before?
"When", by card text.
> For example,
>if I have two Fortresses of the Dragonfly in play, does he have +2 chi for
>determining who he can target?
The active player would decide which happens first. Typically,
this will be the +2.
>5) If the bowed personality is destroyed, does it straighten before hitting
>the dead pile? As an aside, if it doesn't, does that mean it cannot be
>targetted with actions either (eg Return of the Fallen Lord, rehonored with
>favor)?
Cards in discard piles are never considered bowed.
>6) If the targetted personality with Shoju Sensei leaves play and then
>returns, does the Sensei still cancel honor victories?
No. It only lasts "while the Personality remains in play". As
soon as he leaves, it ends, regardless of whether he comes back
later.
>7) Are the new personalities from Seige of Sleeping Mountain legal for
>GenCon?
Yes.
> What's the official word on Seppun Hotaitaka's trait? If I play Levy
>Troops on him do I draw cards equal to the number of troops I levy?
Right now, yes. I don't know if it's going to change.
;;;;;
>From: Charles Boyung <CBoyung@directs.com>
>Subject: RE: Quality Judging
>
>You know, it seems to me that if this was the guy in charge of the SE Kotei
>II, I would personally have a problem. This judge hasn't even read the
>rulebook that carefully. Here is the portion from the Pearl rulebook that I
>am talking about:
>
> If the attacker's Force total is greater than the defender's:
>
> All defending units, if any, are destroyed. The attacker gains 2
>Honor for each card and Follower token destroyed in this segment. He
>or she gains no Honor for cards destroyed earlier in the battle. Honor
>gained from a battle is considered one instance of Honor gain
>regardless of the number of cards destroyed.
>
>It says gains 2 honor for each card destroyed. This sure looks like they
>are separate honor gains to me.
You *did* read the very last sentence that you yourself
quoted from the rulebook just then, didn't you?
> I looked at Jeff's site extensively and
>could find nothing to the contrary, and I believe that this is the way I've
>always seen it judged, so I believe this is correct.
This is about halfway down the "Battle" section of general
rulings in the Accumulated Rulings file.
"The honor gain from destroying cards at battle resolution is
one single gain."
>The Wind's Truth (C)
>0G 4Fo
>Kiho Elemental Reaction: Bow any one of your monks or shugenja when
>honor is being gained or lost. Redirect the honor gain or loss to
>another player.
>
>This is the problem I have with the card. In the 2nd sentance it says
>'another player', I interpret that to mean another player player other
>than the one originating the winds truth. That is my interpretation.
>And that you cannot redirect an action back to the original target.
It's normal for cards like this to be slightly redundant.
Many cards say something like "redirect...to another legal
target" when, to be completely minimalistic, they only need to
say "redirect". I don't see Wind's Truth to be any different.
"Another player" is someone other than the one originally suffering
the loss/gain.
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