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Subj: rules for July 1-10
From: Jeff Alexander <jwa0@earthlink.net>
To: l5rinfo@frpg.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:39:58 PDT
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>From: NeroXT@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Concerns about one HB Card
>
>In a message dated 7/1/99 8:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>elliott@inet.net.nz writes:
>
>> He is a 5 gold cost, but I think Imperial doesn't count (dont quote me on
>> that I could be completely wrong)
>> it could be like Hizuka is a defender of temples, but is not a temple.
>> (arsehole rule)
>Actually, since the Bar rule is not in effect during official FRPG
>tourneyments, there is no reason why you cannot use Shioda with a Hizuka. For
>example. They only needed to print The Daini as 'Human' because people would
>have been silly and said that he got 1F from the Naga Shugenja.
He DOES get the bonus because he IS a Naga. But the rulebook
says all cards with the Naga trait printed on them are automatically
Nonhuman as well. The Daini's explicit "Human" trait overrides that.
(By the way, "human" is normally like "infantry" -- it's not really a
trait so much as a lack of other traits -- so it's impossible for
something to be both Human and Nonhuman).
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>From: Boris - Zaretsky <borisz1@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: The Winds Truth
>
>I do have one question, is this legal?:
>
>I defend with 6 cards (personalities/spells) vs. an opponent (who is
>either New Shadowlands or Old Scorpion). Play "To Avange Our Ancestors".
>Allow your army to die. From outside the battle play "The Winds Truth" to
>steal the nice 24pt honor gain.
>I suppose the questions are 1. is the honor gain one lump sum? 2. Can I
>play the reaction from outside the battle? 3. can I steal the honor gain
>from an injitsu duel(from outside the battle)?
Yes, yes, yes.
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>From: Toestytoe@aol.com
>Subject: How do these cards work?
>
>Street to Street: Battle Terrain-This terrain takes effect as soon as it is
>played. All Followers at this battle are considered unattached. After the
>end
>os this battle action phase, or when this terrain is destroyed, each
>player's
>remaining Followers may be attached to any of that player's surviving
>Personalities in this battle. Followers unable to legally attach in this
>fashion are destroyed.
>
>Now, I have been told different versions of what this card does. I basically
>understand it all, but I am not sure if the followers still provide force.
>It
>doesn't specifically say that they provide force in the battle, and
>followers
>provide force to a unit, but since a personality isn't attached to the
>follower, it is not a unit. The card does not say that the follower is its
>own unit, but it could be implied. Does anyone have an official ruling or
>errata on it?
Followers do not contribute to army strength while not in units.
>The Wave Men: Event-Until the end of the game, every human Personality
>without a clan affiliation has his or her Gold cost reduced by 2.
>
>I believe that this card reduces the gold cost of Sanzo, Morito, and other
>personalities that are not of any clan. But in the area where I play, many
>Toturi's Army decks use this card to reduce their "Toturi's Army"
>personalities by two, claiming that their personalities are not aligned to a
>true "clan". But the rulebook states that Toturi's Army, Yoritomos's
>Alliance, Brotherhood, Naga, and Scorpion are all clans. Only Shadowlands
>isn't. I don't know the real ruling, so could someone post it?
You are correct. The Wave Men only affects Personalities which
have no traits that associate them with any faction that's ever had a
Clan Deck sold for it. "Toturi's Army" is a "clan" as far as the CCG
is concerned.
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>From: Gaijin Monk <gaijin.monk@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Honor Bound Discussion
>
>NOW, AN IMPORTANT QUESTION ON THIS...
>
>Since [Awakening Shakoki Dogu] is a Terrain card and, therefore, an action
>card, can A Test of Courage be used?
By past precedent: yes. The whole terrain would be cancelled,
as per ToC's text.
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>From: "Jubal Kerchner-Pirrone" <komodo@global2000.net>
>Subject: Face up focuses
>
>Just a general question here: does any card that says 'play instead of
>focusing' (i.e. Strike of Flowing water, Moving the Shadow, etc.) have to be
>done face up? Some don't say it, but I seem to remember something about
>that being ruled before.
You're not playing it as a focus, and only focusses get played
face-down. Ergo...
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>From: "Emmanuel" <donatefr@coqui.net>
>Subject: The Final Breath
>
>does the final breath destroy anyone regardless of chi, or is it chi less
>than the dying personality? the card says its by chi but the starter books
>say it is whenever. and we havent seen the pearl version to see any changes
>that may have been made
The rulebook finishes with "Destroy an opposing Personality..."
That "..." means continue with the original text from then on, and the
original text is "with a Chi less than the Chi of your Personality."
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>From: "BRENDON G." <gunum@QNET.COM>
>Subject: Seige of Sleepy Mountain & Legality
>
>Hiya,
>I just bought 1 of the sleepy mountain packs and was wondering if they are
>jade or extended jade legal using the "most recent printing" rule?
They are Strict Jade legal under the "they're part of the Hidden
Emperor storyline" reasoning. Note that the verions of cards in SoSM
never count as the Most Recent version unless they're the only
version.
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>From: Hiruma Nekokaburi <lwolf-nekokaburi@powerup.com.au>
>Subject: Seppun Hotaitaka
>
>Forgive me for rehashing old discussions, but has Seppun Hotaitaka been
>errated to state that the follower being attached must be from hand?
Not to my knowledge.
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>From: "Bayushi Elvis" <bayelvis@idirect.ca>
>Subject: Re: Awakening Shakoki Dogu has been Errata-ed
>
>> With grammatical apologies to Zen, I think it bears mentioning that Jeff
>> Alexander has made an official errata on Awakening Shakoki Dogu.
>>
>> The card should read (*'s added for emphasis):
>> -----------------------------------
>> Battle Terrain: All units at this battle *may* return to their fiefs,
>> bowed. All remaining units lose -2 Chi until the end of turn and are
>> dishonored.
>> -----------------------------------
>
>With that being said, I've got a question:
>
>Does the term "all units" mean that you would have to send your entire army
>home or would you target units to return to your fief?
Each unit may be targetted to return individually.
;;;;;
>From: Daniel A Naruta <naruta@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: The Winds Truth
>
>Secondly, lets look at The Wind's Truth again
>(Spoiler from Shadowlands Refuge)
>
>The Wind's Truth (C)
>0G 4Fo
>Kiho Elemental Reaction: Bow any one of your monks or shugenja when
>honor is being gained or lost. Redirect the honor gain or loss to
>another player.
>
>Now the key part is the last phrase, "....to another player." It seems to
>me that this cannot be the controler of the caster of the Kiho.
>If you could redirect the honor gain to yourself, it would say "....to
>any player."
Not so. "Another player" means "a player other than the one who
was originally supposed to get the loss/gain".
;;;;;
>From: "Benny Johansen" <b_johansen@post.tele.dk>
>Subject: two questions??
>
>Hey I have 2 questions I hope you can help me with.
>
>1:
>A region is turned face up where there is a region attached already.
>Can I move the attached region to an other province, with 'All distances
>are one' , before it is discarded?
You cannot move it that same turn before you play the second
Region. The moving effect is a Limited action and cannot be used
during the Events Phase, but Regions normally only enter play at
the end of that phase.
However, you don't *have* to discard an unplayed Region if
you don't want to. You can move it to a legal Province in this
turn's Action Phase and it will come into play in your next
Events Phase.
>2:
>May a shaddowlands horde player play an Iaijutsu challenge?
Yes. It is not an unconditional loss.
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>From: Jim_Meyer@gccc.com
>Subject: RE: Awakening Shakoki Dogu has been Errata-ed
>
><snip>
>Awakening Shakoki Dogu has been Errata-ed
>
>Battle Terrain: All units at this battle *may* return to their fiefs,
>bowed. All remaining units lose -2 Chi until the end of turn and are
>dishonored.
>
><end snip>
>
>Has it?... if so, then not enough...
>
>What if the attacker and the defender (allies?) have units they would like
>to keep in the battle?
>
>Who has the last choice of deciding which of their personalities stay and
>which of their personalities leave? Do they get to send one unit home at a
>time or do they send them all at once? Turn order in this situation is
>extremely important! Perhaps it should read,
Each player in turn order, starting with the player whose
turn it is, gets one chance to send units home.
;;;;;
>From: BranGalad@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Seppun Imperial?
>
>Just to verify,
>
>Exp2 Toku and Ishikawa are both still Imperial cards (Captain('s) of the
>Imperial Guard), right?
Right.
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>From: Will Gardner <will_gardner@hotmail.com>
>Subject: some questions.
>
>I have a few questions. 1) when I first started playing, you lost if you
>ran out of fate cards, is this true?
No. When you run out of cards, you only run out of cards.
(If your opponent has *not* run out yet, you will *probably*
lose, but that's just the way things go.)
> 2) Unrequited love sais to play it
>during your opponents action phase, so if my opponent forgets to loby for
>the favor, is he out of luck or what, this is a question based on your
>opponent having one person in play during your turn, now, it you say done,
>he straitens, flips his cards, resolves his events and you play UL on his
>person, he says wait, I was going to loby, on the other hand, if you ask
>"are you going to loby, he sais yes, and you UL his bowed person it seems
>kind of "leading", is this an oddly timed card or is it just me? Seems like
>it can almost turn into a debate or a race.
Personally, I take going straight to Dynasty phase as an
implicit "pass" and say something like "Wait, after you pass, I
play Unrequited Love on (whoever)". As you say, your opponent
should not be given knowledge she wouldn't otherwise have about
what you're planning when she decides whether to act.
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>From: "Samuel Farinato" <mortimer@wco.com>
>Subject: Re: IA Info
>
>My friend has a question.
>
>He plays Shadowlands, and he uses the new "Sepulcher Of Bone" Stronghold.
>Now, he also uses Skeletal troops. He wants to know if the skeletal troops
>in fact have a personal honor of zero, problem being that a personal honor
>of zero makes them impossible to play. You see if he plays one, he loses 2
>honor, therefore, he couldnt play a second skeletal troop, now having a
>personal honor of -2... Also, if he uses "The Shadowlands Horde" Stronghold,
>which starts out with a -19 honor, he still cant use the skeletal troops.
>Is the 0 personal honor a misprint or something??
>If not, its a useless follower!
Honor Requirements work differently for Followers. It is
compared against the Personal Honor of the Personality you want
to attach them to, not against your Family Honor.
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>From: "Nicholas Dipasquale" <str8.jkt@rcn.com>
>Subject: Civilized Deckbuilding
>
>Heres my guidelines for a format on civilized deckbuilding, with a move
>against the focused, fast decks.
>
>1. First off, no Merchant Caravans, or Corrupted Holdings allowed, including
>black market. This does not apply to Shadowlands decks except fot the MCs.
>Also, no One Kokus
>--This eliminates a lot of the speed aspect of the game
I can see that.
>2. None of the following cards: Clan Swords, Inheritance, Wedge, Shrine,
>Focus,
Focus? But it doesn't DO anything!
> Avoid Fate, Evil Portents, Kolat Master, Poisoned Weapon, The Wasting
>Disease, Ambush, Feign Death, Test of Honor, Bad Kharma, any Promo Cards,
>winter warfare, ect.
Who says what "etc." is?
>--These cards are basically the difference between the Haves and Have nots
I think a better rule would be "No Unique/Event Rares, no
more than one of any non-Unique, non-Event Rare". Everyone who's
bought L5R cards retail has *some* rares.
>3. No cards that hose specific strategies, eg. Test of Courage, Fires of
>Retribution, Another Time. I look at people who just play for fun and they
>don't usually bother preparing their decks against their opponents. This
>includes events like Kisada's Funeral and Death of the Ki-Rin. This does not
>include Flee the Darkness, Ninja Tricks, Neo-Kachiko, or others along that
>lines, as these just cancel actions, they don't hose other decks.
>--One difference of fun decks as opposed to competitive decks is that fun
>decks usually don't take the opponent into consideration.
Neither do competitive decks, at anything more detailed than
the "anti-honor" or "anti-military" level.
>6. No breach of ettiquette
>--As long as we're keeping this civilized, no first turn breaches
A better rule might be "Breach can't take someone below his
or her starting honor".
>7. No cards beyond the scope of beginning deckbuilding. This one is vague,
Yes. Very.
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>From: Simon Withers <simon@idirect.com>
>Subject: Re: Questions??
>
>> First off is Silence, one of the new Crabs from Honor Bound.
>> He gains an additional +1 Force from cards that provide him
>> a force bonus as long as they are from a crad outside his unit.
>>
>> Does this make him a beast in a Test of Might??
>> Does he gain +1 force for focus cards played during a Test of Might??
>
>He gains a bonus from actions that raise is force. Focusing during a duel
>is not an action.
>
>I wonder however if an action that adds a focus card (like Yoshi Exp)
>would work with his trait in a test of might ?
I'd say so.
>> Another question that has been popping around as of late is the
>> old Time of the Void spell The Pheonix is Reborn.
>[...]
>There are also some on the list that I'm not sure about. A Soul of
>Thunder. I it comes up, and before the honour is gained, TPiR is cast,
>does the honour still get gained at the usual time ?
No.
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>From: "Isawa Hisuke" <BNTHOMPSON@HOME>
>Subject: Card questions
>
>2. Regarding Hoshi Wayan Exp
>He has the ability to steal force/chi bonuses. Focuses are a force and chi
>bonus, though a very specialized one. Can he steal those?
According to Dave, yes he can.
>3. Can I use "Agasha Join the Phoenix" on the Seppun family? There a family
>name, but they don't have any formal clan affiliation yet.
Yes. There are one or two Seppun belonging to Toturi's Army.
>4. Can I redirect the honor/gain loss from deeds not words?
The loss has the same restrictions against redirection as the
original gain would have.
>5. Tournament Question- Decks officially become corrupt or whatever if they
>have 4 or more shadowlands cards in them. It's 4 right?
It depends on the tournament. There is no official rule on this.
>6. Regarding Shoju Sensei.. if the guy is shuffled back into your deck, or
>goes into the dead pile, he's "out of play" right?"
Right.
;;;;;
>From: "Scott Schultz" <scott@ceweekly.com>
>Subject: Rules Questions
>
>Okay. Some of this is nit-picky rules-lawyerish stuff but
>I want to make sure I have know the answers so I don't build
>my own deck wrong.
>
>1) Kachiko Exp 3 - As a reaction, discard a card from her fate hand
>to cancel a battle action played during a battle she is at. Does this
>cancel only actions that specifically say "Battle" in the action type
>or does it also cancel open actions taken during the battle?
If that text is correct, only Battle Actions.
> Does it cancel
>battle spells or only actions played with action cards? (I told you it
>was nit-picky!)
Any Battle Action, including things that aren't cards, such
as the Favor.
> If an action takes place outside of the battle that
>somehow affects the battle (for instance, Yodin is at home and bows
>to straighten a personality in the battle as an open action) can Kachiko
>cancel that action?
Yes. If it's a Battle Action taken while the battle she is
in is resolving, she can cancel it.
>2) Oracle personalities like the new Crab Oracle of Earth guy count
>as duplicates of equivalent Oracle Retainers for uniqueness purposes,
>yes?
There is no rule that honorary or positional titles are
Unique. It's not illegal to have multiple Crab Clan Champions in
play, or the "Crab Oracle of Earth guy" along with the Oracle of
Earth retainer.
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>From: Takezo1385@aol.com
>Subject: Clan Requirements? [Dave or Jeff please read]
>
>The last line on Kage exp. 3 reads you may bring your copy of that
>personality into play all gold cost and requirements are waived.
>
>Ok here's the question, now what exactly qualifies as a "requirement"
I don't like anymore how there seems to be a distinction
between a "restriction" and a "requirement" when it comes to
cards like this. I don't think it makes any sense for the line
"You must be a Lion Clan player to play this card."
to function differently from
"Will only join Lion Clan."
I'd say Kage can recruit pretty much anyone.
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